And the flamewar has begun....but what scare's me most is that we have more Symbian/Nokia haters than Apple/iPhone/Google/Android fanboys...just hate!
And still ignoring the fact...Nokia is selling alot...so why so many people keep telling us that is DEAD!!!!
Unregistered wrote:The iPhone and Android influence reflects USA culture very well, there people expect to be spoon-fed and prefer not to put effort in. It's like their auto-cars versus Euro manual gearboxes. To them the stick-shift and clutch pedal is a terrible user interface. To the european it makes you more of a driver, and you put in a small amount of effort and practice and shifting become second-nature and you forget you are declutching and moving the gear lever.Same with phones, Nokia, even the old Symbian isn't very difficult to use, if you just choose to engage a small amount of cerebral activity. People should try it more often, it does you good. Just like your body the brain, if not exercised, will become lardy and fat and gorged on a billion MaciPhone calories and App Store fries washed down with fl.oz's of sugar-syrup iTunes coke.
Unfortunately this dumbing down - drive-thru culture is affecting europe now too. I admire those nations such as France that are putting up some resistance. Alas even they are succumbing to the lard-arse land where those electric carts carry the obese through Disney parks.
Dumbest, most jealousy, third-world ridden post ever.
MemphisX wrote:And the flamewar has begun....but what scare's me most is that we have more Symbian/Nokia haters than Apple/iPhone/Google/Android fanboys...just hate!And still ignoring the fact...Nokia is selling alot...so why so many people keep telling us that is DEAD!!!!
You are spot on. Nokia is selling a lot but my only point is what are they selling? Cheap phones are what Nokia is synonymous with. When people think of Nokia, they do not see a premium brand, but a company selling cheap phones.
Unregistered wrote:Dumbest, most jealousy, third-world ridden post ever.
Truth sting does it? Poor you. LOL!
I really yearn for Macdonalds and electric fat-carts. Me jealous of that? Hell yeah! Hot diggety!
Same old same old.
If you guys use your phones alot more than symbian phones, why the heck if they are so good do you's spend so much time bashing another platform instead of actually using them?
Lets hope the upcoming changes to AAS put a stop to all this whining.
Android and Iphone might be good systems, but I can also seeing growing contempt for them across the net.
If you have nothing good to say about symbian, go to a site about your respective OS and get over yourselves.
Nokia might not be doing well in the high end market, but better by shipping vast volumes in the mid to lower end. But what happens when one of those users wants to upgrade? your average joe user will stick with what they know for along time and will follow the symbian upgrade path.
Unregistered wrote:You are spot on. Nokia is selling a lot but my only point is what are they selling? Cheap phones are what Nokia is synonymous with. When people think of Nokia, they do not see a premium brand, but a company selling cheap phones.
Even as cheap phones as you may call it I know many people here in Greece that prefer them than some flashy iPhones even if they have the money to buy one. I know many people too that really hate all this touch craziness and want the old days of classic keyboards. That's why Nokia sells like crazy...
I had a conversation with a friend and he was really back to the days of Symbian S60 ver.2. He wanted a new phone but he hates touch screen phones... and whatever I suggested him, he didn't like..."N8, good but only touch?" "N900, I have tried it, its not for me" "Don't even mention iPhone, I hate it" "Samsung Galaxy S, you said Samsung? ARE YOU KIDDING ME" "SE Xperia X10, hmmm it seems nice but I don't know, I'm not used to the UI"
In the end he was asking for something like N93 (that doesn't exist a new successor)...but he will keep an eye on the N8 especially for the built quality...guess even Nokia doesn't notice something and goes with the rest touch craziness....
But either way you cant say that E72 is a cheap phone....
Do you not think part of the problem is that there's no Symbian brand?
None of the devices have the Symbian logo in the advertising, on the boot up screen, etc.
There's nothing an average consumer can recognise as being Symbian, so the main stream press aren't going to walk about something they'd need to explain.
Even Nokia's series of phones, apart from the E-Series, aren't entirely based on Symbian.
Unregistered wrote:Face the fact, Symbian phones are not exciting nor do they make the users want to do things with the phone. This is the fact that continues to escape the "Nokia sells millions more phones" a month crowd. The phones they sell are not high-end phones and they simply continue to be boring, workman phones that no one is interested in just pulling out of their pocket to play with.
[SIZE="3"]BINGO ! I could not have said it better.[/SIZE]
Let me present a car analogy:
I am sure Hyundai sells a lot more of their cars than let�s say a BMW or Mercedes does.
But� if you had a choice which one would you choose? Starting to get the point now? Hyundai makes common cars for the masses (I have nothing against Hyundai by the way) that are cheap and predictable. Are Hyundai cars exciting for the car enthusiasts? Nah� probably not so much.
Which brings me to my last point. Nokia has chosen Meego for their high end N-Series phones. It is Meego that is Nokia�s only chance at bringing them some respectability.
So, AAS can shout all they want about how many Nokia 5800s sell. What is the point?
I kinda understand where AAS is coming from� Symbian is British just like AAS is. But c�mon guys you�re pushing the boundaries of common sense.
Arthur wrote:[SIZE="3"]BINGO ! I could not have said it better.[/SIZE]Let me present a car analogy:
I am sure Hyundai sells a lot more of their cars than let�s say a BMW or Mercedes does.
But� if you had a choice which one would you choose? Starting to get the point now? Hyundai makes common cars for the masses (I have nothing against Hyundai by the way) that are cheap and predictable. Are Hyundai cars exciting for the car enthusiasts? Nah� probably not so much.
Which brings me to my last point. Nokia has chosen Meego for their high end N-Series phones. It is Meego that is Nokia�s only chance at bringing them some respectability.
So, AAS can shout all they want about how many Nokia 5800s sell. What is the point?
I kinda understand where AAS is coming from� Symbian is British just like AAS is. But c�mon guys you�re pushing the boundaries of common sense.
Actually I believe Nokia is more of a Toyota and not a Hyundai...they have the Nokia brand and also the Vertu brand (like Toyota has Lexus). Nokia's phones are not so bad or cheap as they are for example alcatel and LG phones... 😛
I'd really like to see a move away from this numbers game, you can twist numbers any way you want to bolster or discredit a point of view. What Nokia/Symbian need to produce is the N8 and E7, on sale in your local store, then let the phone and OS do the talking. Anything else is just foreplay!
Talking about media.
I saw a post about the new Nike+ App on engadget. Some one commented about comparing it and doing a review of the Sports Tracker app (which is claimed to be better).
And now, that post has been deleted.
Just proves that the US media is attracted to the shiny stuff.
When was the last time Nokia released a product where people stood in line to be one of the first to own it? Hmmmm..... Never I think....
It comes down to this. Some people like Nokia, some don't. Some like Apple, some don't. Neither company is going away anytime soon. Nokia will continue to sell phones as will Apple. Who cares?
Dear An-droids/iFanboys,
You seem to have taken a wrong turning somewhere. Allow me to direct you back home: Go Home
Dazzy wrote:Nokia might not be doing well in the high end market, but better by shipping vast volumes in the mid to lower end. But what happens when one of those users wants to upgrade? your average joe user will stick with what they know for along time and will follow the symbian upgrade path.
The profit margins for low to mid range phones is tiny compared to the margins Apple, Samsung or HTC are making from their high-end phones. There are even suggestions that Apple makes more profit selling iPhones than Nokia selling smartphones. Not sure whether it is true but the thought is frightening.
As for your upgrade argument, I don't agree. Using the car analogy, if you're driving a cheap Hyundai and you want to upgrade to something a lot more expensive, you're not going to buy an expensive Hyundai. You're gonna buy a BMW.
Angry Birds? Call me when EPIC decides to make a 3d engine for Symbian
Unregistered wrote:When was the last time Nokia released a product where people stood in line to be one of the first to own it? Hmmmm..... Never I think....
http://gizmodo.com/5558948/iphone-queues-get-a-load-of-this-nokia-c3-queue
Next bad argument please.
Sr. Spence, vivo bien al sur del Planeta Tierra (Chile y Argentina) y el com�n de la gente llamada "cool" es arrastrada por las narices, por las llamadas notas tecnol�gicas extra�das de medios o bloggers norteamericanos que directamente promocionan la compra de productos Apple (Iphone, McBooks etc...), y que sin conocimiento t�cnico atacan o desmerecen los productos de la competencia sobre todo los de Nokia Symbian, y "casualmente" a favor de las marcas Apple o Andoid de Google.
La desinformaci�n general de los usuarios y la mala f� de fabricantes hace que productos de mala calidad con groseros errores de fabricaci�n(caso antena del iphone - Iphone es un tel�fono celular, por lo menos asi se promociona) se siga vendiendo, con "cond�n" de regalo! para no ensuciarse las manos al tomar el dispositivo para hacer o responder una llamada telef�nica! -
"Mienten, mienten - sus ac�litos compran marca y ayudan a capturar nuevos "Cool User"
Ah!...sorry about the spanish!
Rino
Unregistered wrote:When was the last time Nokia released a product where people stood in line to be one of the first to own it? Hmmmm..... Never I think....
Personally, I think that says a lot about the type of people who are prepared to stand in line to be the first to own it. Have you ever seen anything as pathetic as people doing high fives just because they have been "lucky" anough to be allowed to spend an absolute fortune on a phone which can't actually make phone calls when you hold it in your hand?
You're free to think queuing to get an iPhone or any other product is pathetic.
It's one of the measures of it's success.
But saying iPhone can't make calls when you hold it in your hand surely tells a lot about your willingness to think logically;d
It has reception problems in some circumstances (there doesn't seem to be any rush of dissatisfied iPhone buyers returning it). But it's not equal to it "not being able to make calls when held in hand". You're stretching it to much.
Would you believe me if I tell you I've actually seen people making calls on iPhone4? And they held it in hand;d
Don't believe everything media tell you;d
Isn't this what this article is about?😉
Quote:
I would go with the
iPhone every time simply
because it does more and has a
more reliable eco-system. I
remember the week if not month
long problems of Ovi Sync, Ovi
Files not working properly and
let's not forget the multiple log-
ins just to access Ovi services.
Nokia had a head start on Apple
and they squandered it on
whatever they squandered it on.
Ovi is a joke when compared to
the Apple App Store. The Android
is getting its legs but they too
will surpass the Ovi offerings. I
have not even gone into the
ease of use features that
Android and Apple have over
Symbian...
I guess you need to visit a psychiatrist. I-phone does more than symbian? Is that a parallel universe you live in? To back-up the essentials on a symbian device you don't need any additional apps at the first place. Let me tell you how:
1. Contacts - Just mark all the contacts, select 'create backup from phone to memory card', you'll have a backup in the memory card. Then just zip the backup folder, put one copy on your pc, and then just mail another copy to your own mail address. You have a copy of all your contacts both on your HDD and in the cloud.
2. Calendar and other items- Connect the phone to your pc, choose 'synchronise' on the ovi suite application, it's all done. You can also backup on the phone by just backing up the phone memory on the memory card and restoring when needed.
Now tell me, which one is more hassle-free? Logging into a third-party service just to back things up, or doing it entirely from your 'smartphone'? The pick is yours...
kmmbd wrote:
2. Calendar and other items- Connect the phone to your pc, choose 'synchronise' on the ovi suite application, it's all done. You can also backup on the phone by just backing up the phone memory on the memory card and restoring when needed.
You can even do it without Ovi Suite or Nokia PC Suite. I use Linux and sync/backup to Evolution (contacts, calendar, etc) via bluetooth with the sync app that came with my Linux distribution.
I think the important number is "how many phones per day that people would not otherwise buy but for the OS."
I think Symbian's sales are largely ignored because they result largely from Nokia and not as a result of the OS. As such, developers don't see much to gain in developing for Symbian. Instead, Symbian is essentially becoming Nokia's new featurephone OS. Instead of using S40, they are using Symbian because it makes it easier for Nokia to provide their own Ovi services such as Maps, music and messaging. Nokia would sell the vast majority of those phones if they were equipped with S40, Bada, Android, or anything else, primarily because they compete in segments of the market that other companies choose not to (such as the low end where economies of scale are vitally important). There is little evidence to suggest that Nokia will have success in translating its low-end sales to higher-margin products at a later date.
The reasons Android and iOS get so much buzz is that the OS and available applications are the big attractions. Motorola was struggling until it got the Droid (and its successors). HTC hedges its bets by supporting multiple OSes, but it's also clear that it sees Android as something that attracts people to its phones. It could have selected Symbian, but didn't. Sony Ericsson and Samsung's respective decisions to cease developing Symbian phones does little to dispel the notion that Symbian is anything but Nokia's proprietary OS, however "open" it may be in theory.
It's pretty clear that high-end Symbian^3, Symbian^4 and MeeGo devices will need to stand on their own. If they sell well in their own right, then Nokia will be rewarded, and Symbian and MeeGo might attract additional developer support (and manufacturer support in Symbian's case). They just might sell extremely well, but it certainly isn't a given. N97 eventually "sold well" by raw sales numbers, but largely as a result of price cutting and not the merits of the phone itself. This simply cannot happen with N8 and N9, and I think Nokia realizes it. But whether they have arrived too late for the party or are beginning to turn their fortunes around remains to be seen.
Unregistered wrote:You are spot on. Nokia is selling a lot but my only point is what are they selling? Cheap phones are what Nokia is synonymous with. When people think of Nokia, they do not see a premium brand, but a company selling cheap phones.
Exactly. It's a little like claiming McDonald's is the best hamburger because they sell more than anyone else.
It is equally interesting to observe (as I noted yesterday) that Salesforce.com are focussing on iOS, Android and Blackberry... in their announcement yesterday, their new chatter mobile app does NOT support Symbian, which seems to be further nail.
I speak as a Symbian user and symbian lover, but I cannot help but notice the market dynamics in the corporate world.
Exactly, their are numerous ways to sync a symbian-powered phone. You're not tied to one software (e.g. i-tunes) and the stock windows/linux softwares work pretty well. You can also sync everything if you have MS Outlook. BTW, love the new look of the site. It seems much more organized. Now all you guys need to do is to put 'Disqus' as the comment engine.
manual_ wrote:You're free to think queuing to get an iPhone or any other product is pathetic.
It's one of the measures of it's success.
But saying iPhone can't make calls when you hold it in your hand surely tells a lot about your willingness to think logically;d
It has reception problems in some circumstances (there doesn't seem to be any rush of dissatisfied iPhone buyers returning it). But it's not equal to it "not being able to make calls when held in hand". You're stretching it to much.
Would you believe me if I tell you I've actually seen people making calls on iPhone4? And they held it in hand;d
Don't believe everything media tell you;d
Isn't this what this article is about?😉
I actually based my opinion on the hundreds of posts on the official Apple iPhone 4 forum from dissatisfied owners who COULDN'T make phone calls when holding their phone in their hand. When early Apple adopters are that unhappy then you really have got a problem, whatever the press say.