Tom Tom Mobile 5 FIXED on N70!!

Sad to say that fix does not work with standard firmware from Orange . went into orange shop and they rang a few numbers saying they did not have new firmware for me so Orange n70 and tomtom with speed cameras in any way is just pants full stop.

crazyjlondon wrote:Sad to say that fix does not work with standard firmware from Orange . went into orange shop and they rang a few numbers saying they did not have new firmware for me so Orange n70 and tomtom with speed cameras in any way is just pants full stop.

Hi,

Sorry the fix don't work for you.
Are you still on the V2.xxxx Firmware on Orange?

Dez

Just lemme get one thing straight... the POI's (cameras, Shell, KFC etc) they all work now with no adverse affects using the new firmware?

kevs355 wrote:Just lemme get one thing straight... the POI's (cameras, Shell, KFC etc) they all work now with no adverse affects using the new firmware?

NO! 😊

But based on 1 days testing (4hr's driving) if you DISABLE & HIDE all POI's then ONLY enable the WARN WHEN NEAR POI function (ONLY for the Speed Camera DB), then TT5.20 seems stable on the N70 with latest Firmware.

If you re-enable the SHOW POI function & tick any POI's for display, then TT starts losing GPS signal again at random intervals.

If you can live with only speedcamera POI's (& Only those directly on your route) and can live without all the other POI's (until Tomtom produce a new patch) then this is much better than what we have all been experiencing for the last 6 - 8 weeks...

Incidentally I still occasionally have to reboot my N70 before launching TT or it sometimes fails to detect a GPS receiver. Also, if you don't reboot the N70 after closing TT, sometimes I cannot send or receive data via BlueTooth.

I have passed all the above info to TomTom's Support for the attention of the Developers and Testers. I will let you all know if I hear anything back from them...

Dez

dez_borders wrote:NO! 😊

But based on 1 days testing (4hr's driving) if you DISABLE & HIDE all POI's then ONLY enable the WARN WHEN NEAR POI function (ONLY for the Speed Camera DB), then TT5.20 seems stable on the N70 with latest Firmware.

If you re-enable the SHOW POI function & tick any POI's for display, then TT starts losing GPS signal again at random intervals.

If you can live with only speedcamera POI's (& Only those directly on your route) and can live without all the other POI's (until Tomtom produce a new patch) then this is much better than what we have all been experiencing for the last 6 - 8 weeks...

Incidentally I still occasionally have to reboot my N70 before launching TT or it sometimes fails to detect a GPS receiver. Also, if you don't reboot the N70 after closing TT, sometimes I cannot send or receive data via BlueTooth.

I have passed all the above info to TomTom's Support for the attention of the Developers and Testers. I will let you all know if I hear anything back from them...

Dez

Thanks for the workaround.

I was doing such kind of tests with my N70 an TT5.20 with similar results ( I didn't test if the PoIs altering was working properly). Finally I removed the radar PoIs. We'll see what TomTom can do for solving this issue.

dez_borders wrote:Hi,

Sorry the fix don't work for you.
Are you still on the V2.xxxx Firmware on Orange?

Dez

Just wondering if people are getting different results due to Tomtom not being able to handle certain databases...
Question 1 .... Cane people please state if there database is the genuine Tomtom download the one you need to pay for on their site?

OR the ones that are free from pocketgps.com ?

crazyjlondon wrote:Hi Dez i have orange version 2.0537.1.7 what version is the latest?
and what network you on?
Thanks Jason

I am on O2 with Firmware V3.0546.2.3 18-11-04 RM-84

I am sure Orange can now supply a V3.xxxx firmware. If you can persuade the technicians to put in the Generic Nokia V3 firmware instead of Orange, some other members of this forum claim it is better than the Orange branded one.

Cheers,
Dez

Just wondering if people are getting different results due to Tomtom not being able to handle certain databases...
Question 1 .... Cane people please state if there database is the genuine Tomtom download the one you need to pay for on their site?

OR the ones that are free from pocketgps.com ?

Thats a good question :icon4:

Mine where from the pocketgpsworld.com website...

mattk1 wrote:Thats a good question :icon4:

Mine where from the pocketgpsworld.com website...

I use Pocket GPS for Speed Cameras. Assume all other POIs are TomTom ones?

My TT / N70 seems stable when POI's are hidden as per my email a few days ago.

Dez

Nokia N70 & TomTom V5.0
On Vodafone
Firmware - V2.0536.0.2
12-09-05
RM-84

I have had the problems mentioned with TomTom and my N70 and monitored this thread for a few weeks. However my Bro in law also got it for his 6680 and a Holox BT321 receiver, I tried this receiver and it worked fine and did not drop the signal once or keep asking for a BT pass code. I have now bought a Holox BT321 for myself and have tried it all week and so far i have not had one problem. I sold the cheaper BT receiver to my mate who has a 6600 and he is also happy as that works fine with his phone.

I am no expert and im not saying that this will work for everyone but it has for me and i thought i should let everyone on here know.

Lee😊

I am using the old silver BT GPS receiver from my Navigator3 pack, and I also have no problems as yet.

Hi guys,

Been following these posts and others on other boards with great interest as i'm experiencing the same problem with Navicores GPS solution and their receiver. Interestingly i think the problem also occurs more because i am using a flamingo bluetooth headset.

I borrowed a friends TOM TOM v5.200 (443) GPS v1.20 MAP v562 MMC and it does the same thing, only even more frequently.

I haven't got a clue why reformatting MMC, copying files in a certain order would work other than the other steps involved also have the effect of freeing up some processor time? Perhaps this is why Navicore is more stable? (it does seem more responsive and has less POI's).

The fact that the bluetooth instability occurs both with and without TOMTOM or Navicore running suggests to me that there is a bug in the bluetooth stack that Nokia need to fix?

I am currently trying to obtain a service upgrade from 2.0539.1.2, 19-10-05, RM-84. to the 3.x one and will post back if i get any further results.

Cheers,

omegadcuk wrote: Interestingly i think the problem also occurs more because i am using a flamingo bluetooth headset.

I agree... I also found TT5.xx less stable if I tried to use both the GPS receiver and the BT headset at same time... however, I haven't re-tested this scenario since disabling POI's (which for my N70, results in a much more stable TT5.20).

More importantly, I also found that after closing the TomTom app, I would experience unreliable Bluetooth data connections, BT headset not auto-answering calls, and TT being unable to find the GPS device next time I launch the app. The solution to this was to REBOOT the N70 AFTER closing TomTom. It's a pain, but an easy habit to get into which prevents probems ocurring after using TT.

omegadcuk wrote:
The fact that the bluetooth instability occurs both with and without TOMTOM or Navicore running suggests to me that there is a bug in the bluetooth stack that Nokia need to fix?

You could be right, but I would have hoped that the V3 Firmware updates from Nokia should have resolved any major BlueTooth Stack errors. It's strange also that only GPS devices are experiencing the bluetooth connection reliability problems? It's also worth mentioning that (I think) the N70 has a Bluetooth 2.0 Stack which is different from previous Nokia models.

Perhaps the fact the TomTom uses it's own GPS drivers, which then interface with the Nokia BT Stack is part of the problem. Perhaps Navicore also uses it's own proprietry GPS drivers? Hopefully TomTom will be able to update their GPS driver in the next symbian patch to be more stable on the N70? Several forum users have noted that TomTom's screengrabs show a GPS driver V1.21 which is not available in the Symbian TT5.20 patch.

Keep us posted with your findings!

Dez😊

After going round and round with the tomtom suport team they are asking what data rates are our Memory cards performing at?
I can understand maybe a problem now as it seems linked to maps and extras it needs to display it could be like running slow ram as we have double the speed of the cpu in the N70 and i noticed the maps are more fluid in motion compared to my old 7610.
i got this from tomtom.
Then there must be something wrong somewhere. We have not received any information stating that there is a problem with this Mobile.

Which memory card are you using? This can happen if the card is too slow (READ performance below 10mb/second). It can also happen if the amount of data becomes too much for the application to process. Try to disable some active POIs and see if the situation improves. As an experiment, disable all POIs, then add one by one, to see where the limit is.

Looks like mine is a bit slow just checked it out on soem sites review,
Oh well looks like i need to source a faster Dual voltage card who knows of the fastest?

crazyjlondon wrote:
i got this from tomtom.
Then there must be something wrong somewhere. We have not received any information stating that there is a problem with this Mobile.?

Cheeky beggers! (TT Support) - various people from these forums have been reporting problems with TT & the N70 since Nokia first released stock in the UK.

crazyjlondon wrote:
Which memory card are you using? This can happen if the card is too slow (READ performance below 10mb/second). It can also happen if the amount of data becomes too much for the application to process. Try to disable some active POIs and see if the situation improves. As an experiment, disable all POIs, then add one by one, to see where the limit is.

Looks like mine is a bit slow just checked it out on soem sites review,
Oh well looks like i need to source a faster Dual voltage card who knows of the fastest?

At least TT Support are giving good advice about mimiting POI's.

I had a quick look on Google and couldn't find any MMC cards with over 8Mb/sec read rates. Wonder where TT source the MMB cards they use to ship TT?
I replaced my official TT MMC card with a generic 512Mb "ATP MMC Mobile" card running at 2.5Mb/sec, then Formatted and sold the original, smaller capacity, MMC card on Ebay (Silly me!) Maybe the cheap high capacity MMC cards available on ebay were OK for the 6680 I used then with TT but are too slow for the faster CPU in the new N70's?

Keep us informed of your testing! I sold my old GPS Receiver a while ago so can't only test when my friend loans me his one, which isn't that often. I will buy another one only if and when TT is 100% stable for all the N70 forum users (stable even with POI's enabled!).

Dez

In terms of Navicore it has been stable for 2 days. In the end i had to remove the bluetooth pairing and allow Navicore to make the bluetooth connection. This morning it was stable for a 1 hour journey, it even lost connection to the GPS because i'd forgotten to charge it. All picked up fine once i plugged it into car adapter. Normally it will crash after 10 mins or so.

So just to re-iterate, try deleting GPS blueooth pairing and allow the software to make the GPS connection instead. I think i got impatient and thought 'oh maybe navicore requires a paired connection' - IT DOESNT and neither does TOMTOM. so be patient.

FYI My memory card is 1gb Kingstom DVMMC running at 8mb/s.

Im very happy at the moment, next thing to try is re-enabling my Flamingo bluetooth headset.

I will post back with results for TOMTOM too in a couple of days.

omegadcuk wrote:Im very happy at the moment, next thing to try is re-enabling my Flamingo bluetooth headset.

I will post back with results for TOMTOM too in a couple of days.

Please do let us know! I am particularly keen to know if I can use a BT headset with TT before I consider buying a new GPS receiver to replace the one I sold.
Can you also try making or receiving a voice call on your BT headset and see if TT & Navicore remain stable? Thanks in advance.

went onto my memory cards site and checked out their spec of it seems as mine is fast enough ...any one have an Altina DV RS MMC?
High performance at Read Speed more than 9MB/s and Write Speed more than 7MB/s
is what the site says so going on tomtoms reply to me i am well above what they recommend..
Does any one know the speed of the genuine tomtom cards?

Well, I'm waiting for my GPS and MMC to turn up for my girlfriends N70 and when I saw this about the speeds I checked up on the manufacturers site and it seems that the card I've bought is a new high-speed one that runs at a read speed of 52MB/sec.
So if anyone is looking it may be one to get- inov8 is the make, and it was cheap too !

Hope this helps.

And I'me very nervous waiting for my goodies to make sure it all works, it's her birthday present from me !

Dylan

I'm running an IPQ card which supposedly transfers at 52mb/s.

I have run TT now for some time with no luck. I have followed all the options that people have given on here.
Allowing TT to pair itself
Trying in offline mode
with and without POI's enabled
with POI's deleted

The best I have had is about an hour.....

I'm running App Version 5.200(443), GPS Driver v1.20, Map version 562
I'm still running the below Firmware.
The POI's are all TomTom pre installed except the Speed Cameras of course... PocketGPS!

Frankly I'm at a loss!!

gadget_sa wrote:I'm running an IPQ card which supposedly transfers at 52mb/s.

I have run TT now for some time with no luck. I have followed all the options that people have given on here.
Allowing TT to pair itself
Trying in offline mode
with and without POI's enabled
with POI's deleted

The best I have had is about an hour.....

I'm running App Version 5.200(443), GPS Driver v1.20, Map version 562
I'm still running the below Firmware.
The POI's are all TomTom pre installed except the Speed Cameras of course... PocketGPS!

Frankly I'm at a loss!!

Yep, deleting POI's made no difference.
I'm on Vodafone

I really want to get this working as I rely on my additional POI's... as well as the Spoeed cameras.

gadget_sa wrote:Yep, deleting POI's made no difference.
I'm on Vodafone

I really want to get this working as I rely on my additional POI's... as well as the Spoeed cameras.

gadget_sa wrote:I'm running an IPQ card which supposedly transfers at 52mb/s...
...I'm running App Version 5.200(443), GPS Driver v1.20, Map version 562
I'm still running the below Firmware.
Frankly I'm at a loss!!

I genuinely believe you will see an improvement with the disabled POI's once you have upgraded to the V3 firmware. It should be free, if you can find a Nokia Service point nearby.

D

ok, well I am running TomTom mobile 5, map v6.05 and an N70 with v2.0536.0.2.

I am using the Silver TomTom Wireless GPS receiver (9821x) from my older Nav3 PDA pack.

It has been stable and works well, so I added in the pocketgps speed cam database and set alarms for them as POI's.

No sooner had I heard the first alarm ring than I lost connection to the GPS receiver. I reset the phone, it re-established the connection and then I drove back along the same road. Again I got the warning and again I lost connection to the GPS receiver.

I disabled the Speed Cams as POI's and drove the same road.... no loss of connection!

I purchased the v6.25 GB map from plus services last week, so am gonna try the same experiment with that loaded, but I can see no reason for not getting the same results.

Summary - In my experience you dont need the latest firmware on the N70, you dont need the latest 5.2 release for TomTom mobile 5, and you dont need the latest TomTom GPS receiver... Just dont use a speed cam POI database :icon13:

Just for the records I am using a Kingmax mmc card at the moment.

Quite intrigueing all this.....

I don't have the latest firmware like JH, and basically did as he has described above.... and yes it worked as he says... as soon as you disable the POI's then the connection stays, but for some reason.... it's not holding it's own. The best I got was just over the hour before it dropped it's connection?!?!?!?

Is this just bad luck or still a fault.....

Admittedly, I had 3 close cameras at the beginning of my journey.

Camera 1 - lost connection
Rebooted etc and got it running again.
Camera 2 - lost connection
Rebooted etc, got it running and disabled the POI's
Camera 3 - Got the siren to warn me and it stayed connected...
But an hour later it was down!!

So I gave up at that moment and carried onto my destination.

I have now sold my old PDA and Tomtom so the GPS has gone with it:con?

Sorry folks, but I'm now going to be relying on you guys to get this working before any more expense on the mobile side.

BTW. Does anyone know the answer to the following:
TomTom Go 500/700 have bluetooth capability right...! if I were to connect my mobile to it, do you reckon I would be able to use the GPS in that??
Daft question I know, "why would you want TT Mobile if you have a GO" but the wife wants to get one (although she was only going for the 300) but if it will work, then I'll treat her to the upper model and I could experiment with that if it does
Cheers for now and happy testing!

dez_borders - flamingo headset appears to be causing the crashing in Navicore. Although to use the headset i have to pair it using the phones bluetooth menu. I really do think the problem is with the phones bluetooth - lets hope it's just the fimware 2.x :frown:

Unfortunately i can't get my firmware updated to v3.x for another 2 weeks (they said THAT previously 4 weeks ago!) so i'll post back when it's been done.

In the meantime i'll give TOMTOM a whirl and see if it still crashes without the headset, if it does i'll remove the POI databases.

Can anyone point me in the right direction of where to find the Service Centres to do the Firmware upgrades.... just in case I decide/need to.

Tx

just to say "gadget sa" I totally removed the Speed camera POI's, warnings and all.

I know that warnings of "safety" cameras would be nice, but the bulk of the time I drive the same roads and know where they are and where mobile ones get set up. And to me the ability to get through to the final destination matters more at this time.