Tom Tom Mobile 5 FIXED on N70!!

Hi Dez

Ive just checked and this afternoon with the single PockeGPS file installed I had 10 POI's enabled in all (the same as yesterday's 2 hour drive without any PocketGPS files), initally with camera warnings on route only, but on the way home tonight I had it switched on to always warn regardless of whether on route or not. I didnt actually go past any camera sites but it ran for the 40+ min journey without fault, much longer than I managed with the seperate PocketGPS setup, so my feeling is that its more likely related to the multi file version of PocketGPS than it is to POI's in general, in my case at least.

cheers

Chris

docrob wrote:dez, locoblade, gary cat,

can any of you see if you can activate speech recognition on your N70 with TTM running. you don't have to connect it to GPS, just start TTM application.
i surely can't be the only person with this additional problem?

cheers,
rob

well unable to activate it while TTM runs (even without any GPS or bluetooth activated), and if I try to activate it while connected to my HS-26 the whole phone hangs and have to restart.

TT software is definitely wrong somewhere !!!!!!!!!!!

Locoblade wrote:

Im not sure its worth looking too far into the card read speed issue because I assume Tom Tom are suggesting this as a potential fix for when people have issues with straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom (without PocketGPS databases etc which the'll never warrant it working with). In most cases on here it appears that without the PocketGPS data, there's very few problems

Thats not entirely accurate...... The reason I started this thread was to research a fix for "straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom" I had problems with tom tom from the very beginning, with only tom tom POIs on the card. It still crashed and dropped the GPS connection just as frequent as when i started to use PocketGPS POIs.

Locoblade wrote:

Im not sure its worth looking too far into the card read speed issue because I assume Tom Tom are suggesting this as a potential fix for when people have issues with straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom (without PocketGPS databases etc which the'll never warrant it working with). In most cases on here it appears that without the PocketGPS data, there's very few problems

Thats not entirely accurate...... The reason I started this thread was to research a fix for "straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom" I had problems with tom tom from the very beginning, with only tom tom POIs on the card. It still crashed and dropped the GPS connection just as frequent as when i started to use PocketGPS POIs.

bluestar, thanks for reply - i presume eveyone has this speech recognition problem??

i think it's best to focus on the speech recognition problem as it removes other factors (eg. your BT GPS unit and you can even remove MMC factor if you install the TTM application on the N70 internal memory). at least this way TT can't deny the problem or blame another factor. i'm not having a go at TT i'm sure they'll get there in the end.

i've tested TTM on the N70 internal memory (you obviously can't have maps installed but it will start without MMC even in the phone) and it still causes immediate problems activating speech recognition, so there must be direct problem with TTM application.

anyway i was sent a vesion from TT a few days ago which has N70 choice on the menu and the application is version 5.202. it doesn't improve anything though.

i don't know if speech recognition problem and GPS drops are related but the speech recognition/using BT headset is much more frustrating than occasional GPS drops (not that i want them either though!!).

i'm sure we'll get there!

docrob wrote:hi,

i have followed this thread for while now. i have same sort of problems. i have latest v3 firmware. and as well as GPS drops and phone occasionally rebooting (sometime when receviing call) it also has problem when using speech recognition on the N70 (which i haven't seen posted before).
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if you have TTM application running and you navigate to the main telephone menu then hold down the right selection key (which activates speech recognition), it should make sound and then you will see progress bar with "speak now". BUT with TTM running, if you try and activate speech recognition the phone is very slow to respond with both the tone and "speak time" progress bar. Well it does for me anyway. i originally noticed this problem using my BT headset and activating speech recognition via BT, but you don't even need the BT headset attached - just activating the speech recognition via the phone causes problems.
As soon as you exit TTM the phone springs to life and speech recognition commands appear on screen.

i'd be interested if anyone else has this specific problem. TT are currently investigating it for me. i'd be greatful for any test results back which i can pass to TT.

rob

ps: just got TTM 5.202 off TT and will test this with GPS this week. this 5.202 version still causes problems with voice recognition though so it definately doesn't sort everything out for me. anyone else have this voice recognition problem??

swat47 wrote:Thats not entirely accurate...... The reason I started this thread was to research a fix for "straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom" I had problems with tom tom from the very beginning, with only tom tom POIs on the card. It still crashed and dropped the GPS connection just as frequent as when i started to use PocketGPS POIs.

I do hope you have mailed tomtom suport to ask for it to be fixed in the next update.

As they are claiming its only happening with 3rd party poi's.
Thanks

i was sent the 5.202 update by TT to try out. it's not on their website. it's clearly a different application (i compared it to the TTM 5.20 application) but it doesn't sort things out though.

docrob wrote:bluestar, thanks for reply - i presume eveyone has this speech recognition problem??

i think it's best to focus on the speech recognition problem as it removes other factors (eg. your BT GPS unit and you can even remove MMC factor if you install the TTM application on the N70 internal memory). at least this way TT can't deny the problem or blame another factor. i'm not having a go at TT i'm sure they'll get there in the end.

i've tested TTM on the N70 internal memory (you obviously can't have maps installed but it will start without MMC even in the phone) and it still causes immediate problems activating speech recognition, so there must be direct problem with TTM application.

anyway i was sent a vesion from TT a few days ago which has N70 choice on the menu and the application is version 5.202. it doesn't improve anything though.

i don't know if speech recognition problem and GPS drops are related but the speech recognition/using BT headset is much more frustrating than occasional GPS drops (not that i want them either though!!).

i'm sure we'll get there!

You would say we concentrate on speech recognition?

I would say not....

For this reason....
We are trying to get TOMTOM working on our mobiles at the same standard as stand alone TOMTOM devices these run the speed camera database which is Much MORE important then some silly speech recognition that none of us lot seem to have been trying. we are simply trying to get the software running in its standard form ..Ie not crashing not loosing the gps device and trying to get the POI's working.

Try a new topic on say
N70 and tomtom speech recognition you might find its going to get a detailed answer.
THANKS.

crazyjlondon wrote:You would say we concentrate on speech recognition?

I would say not....

For this reason....
We are trying to get TOMTOM working on our mobiles at the same standard as stand alone TOMTOM devices these run the speed camera database which is Much MORE important then some silly speech recognition that none of us lot seem to have been trying. we are simply trying to get the software running in its standard form ..Ie not crashing not loosing the gps device and trying to get the POI's working.

Try a new topic on say
N70 and tomtom speech recognition you might find its going to get a detailed answer.
THANKS.

you're entitled to your opinion. with the latest firmware my gps drops are every hour or so (and quickly solved by selecting BT again). making and receiving calls with BT headset is more of a pain for me. anyway i'm sure it all relates to the same thing.

i've had much more interest from TT with the speech recognition problem as it removes other variables (namely GPS and MMC). if they sort out a stable TT application then it will handle all the POIs just like the other TT devices.

all i'm asking is does anyone else get the speech recognition problem. it's a simple test to do (and i don't think it's off the topic of this thread).
a simple yes or no will suffice 😊

Just puchased a high sped card 132x its still given me the same problems with the speed zoned files, does any one have any old speed camera files that are genuine tomtom that they can mail me.... i dont care if they are old i just want to try theirs so i can contact tomtom over the next matter.
Thanks

[email][email protected][/email]

yes speech recognition problems with two N70 and TomTom

bluestar wrote:yes speech recognition problems with two N70 and TomTom

thanks bluestar,

i just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me, which it clearly isn't.

crazyjlondon, i'll let you get back to discussing GPS drops, 3rd party POIs etc.

i'll let you know if i get a stable version from TT.

😊

Hi all,

Just thought I would mention, I downloaded and installed the latest 'Great Britain Plus' V6.32 maps for TomTom.

The GB maps are now over 200Mb in size (more than double the 5.60 version), but have had no affects - good or bad - on the stability of TomTom 5.20 on the N70.

Registered users can safely install the latest maps with no adverse affects.

Cheers,
Dez

Some more updates from me, apologies if people have found similar but Ive not read the entire thread for several weeks now so cant remember.

Anyway, last night having had a totally reliable TT for about 6 hours+ use, I installed a few other 3rd party POI databases (eg the McDonalds one etc, not other speed camerea POIs), including one I created myself in WinOV2. Suprise suprise within 15 mins of leaving home this morning, I lost GPS connection. It happened again within another 5-10 mins so I unselected all the 3rd party POIs apart from the single file camera database (which has worked fine for hours previously) but 3 more times on the 30 min journey home it bombed out again.

However, I have yet to need to reboot my phone or even exit Tom Tom to regain the connection, I simply go into the GPS Setup within Tom Tom (where it shows you all the satellite strengths) and within 20s the graphs will turn blue again and reconnect, and be OK again (for 5-10mins). I also sometimes need to do this when first getting in the car otherwise TT sits there saying no GPS.

So, the conclusion I am coming to is that Tom Tom on the V70 possibly doesnt like more than one ov2 file in the map folder at any one time? I will delete the POI files tonight and try two ov2's tomorrow to see how that goes, and gradually add them until it starts crashing again

Yep i must admit thats the only way i can get my tomtom with speed cameras working i have to delete the files from the memory card to get correct function.
So looks like i am stuck with single filed versions.
I am still hoping to find someone who has a N70 with tomtoms genuine speed camera data base files the ones that they sell, as after puchasing my 2nd memory card i am money down and no way going to buy the speed camera files from Tomtom to find that they dont work either.

Any one got any Genuine tomtom speed files?

Thanks all

Mine is working fine now... Thnx to your tips.

(😮 sorry for my bad english😮 )

- before I start i reboot my phone
- I unchecked all point of interests
- I don't navigate in de map view; but with the arrows. (Bleu screen with white arrow)

Before i create a new route i change to map view...(than tt will find gps position; in the map view it will not)

I drove about 20 hours without any problems...

(:frown: sorry for the bad english:frown: )

before i tried it with the speedcamera files, but than it will crash every time

I have the old firmware: the 2.xxxx version. Here in Holland the firmware upgrade is for free at the nokia service points.

I was wondering if anyone has tried multiple POI's made with TomTom's own MakeOV2.exe app, rather than using ones presumably made mostly with WinOV2?

I know TT dont offer any warranty or guarantees with the tools, but they do promote the self creation of POI's as a feature of Tom Tom, so if you go to them saying it doesnt work with POIs generated with their own tools, they can hardly come back with the "not supported with 3rd party add-ons" type response.

Having said that I wouldnt be suprised if WinOV2 utilised TomTom's executables to generate its files anyway, in which case this is a red herring.

Locoblade wrote:I was wondering if anyone has tried multiple POI's made with TomTom's own MakeOV2.exe app, rather than using ones presumably made mostly with WinOV2?

I know TT dont offer any warranty or guarantees with the tools, but they do promote the self creation of POI's as a feature of Tom Tom, so if you go to them saying it doesnt work with POIs generated with their own tools, they can hardly come back with the "not supported with 3rd party add-ons" type response.

Having said that I wouldnt be suprised if WinOV2 utilised TomTom's executables to generate its files anyway, in which case this is a red herring.

I dont know anybody with any original Tom Tom GPS POIs unfortunately but MakeOV2 is available as part of OVTools on the TomTom website here, it converts a text file (.asc usually) with co-ordinates in it into an ov2 file you can put into TomTom, and creates a default bitmap file to use as the icon (which you can replace with a more relevent picture if you like).

As a test Ive extracted the multi file PocketGPS ov2 files into plain text asc files, then converted them back into ov2 files using Tom Tom's own MakeOV2.exe to see if it makes any difference.

Chris

Locoblade wrote:I dont know anybody with any original Tom Tom GPS POIs unfortunately but MakeOV2 is available as part of OVTools on the TomTom website here, it converts a text file (.asc usually) with co-ordinates in it into an ov2 file you can put into TomTom, and creates a default bitmap file to use as the icon (which you can replace with a more relevent picture if you like).

As a test Ive extracted the multi file PocketGPS ov2 files into plain text asc files, then converted them back into ov2 files using Tom Tom's own MakeOV2.exe to see if it makes any difference.

Chris

I havent compiled them into one file, all Ive done at the moment is recompiled them back into the same 5 files but using Tom Tom's makeOV2.exe rather than the unknown way that PocketGPS use to create them.

You should be able to compile them all into one file though, all you do is use DumpOV2 (the other exe that comes with the TomTom download) to extract all the various PocketGPS camera sites into .asc files, then copy and paste all the .asc files into one large .asc file, then run MakeOV2 to compile the large .asc file back into a single .ov2

There' s a readme text file that explains exactly how to use the executables but basically you'd put the two executables plus the pocketgps ov2 files into a single folder, then just double click on dumpov2 - this will look for all ov2 files in that folder and convert them to .asc which are just plain text files with a long list of co-ordinates and names which you could write by scratch if you wanted to (for example 0.258806,51.360630,"Brands Hatch - Kent" is one line I had in a file I was compiling, giving the lon/lat and name of the POI. As an aside, you can get all the lon/lat information from multimap etc if you want to create your own POIs.

Open up all the .asc files in notepad and copy/paste all the data into one single file, then save it as say "allcameras.asc". Now bring up a DOS box, browse to the folder where all these files reside, then type "makeov2 allcameras.asc" and click enter. It should then create you a file called "allcameras.ov2" and "allcameras.bmp". To finish off, delete the .bmp file and copy one of the gatso bmp files that pocketgps supply, then rename it to allcameras.bmp, then copy both files into your map directory as normal.

Like I said, this may be a red herring but if it still happens after this, then TomTom cannot say that its 3rd party POI's causing the issue because its all been compiled using their software.

HTH

Chris

Locoblade wrote:I havent compiled them into one file, all Ive done at the moment is recompiled them back into the same 5 files but using Tom Tom's makeOV2.exe rather than the unknown way that PocketGPS use to create them.

You should be able to compile them all into one file though, all you do is use DumpOV2 (the other exe that comes with the TomTom download) to extract all the various PocketGPS camera sites into .asc files, then copy and paste all the .asc files into one large .asc file, then run MakeOV2 to compile the large .asc file back into a single .ov2

There' s a readme text file that explains exactly how to use the executables but basically you'd put the two executables plus the pocketgps ov2 files into a single folder, then just double click on dumpov2 - this will look for all ov2 files in that folder and convert them to .asc which are just plain text files with a long list of co-ordinates and names which you could write by scratch if you wanted to (for example 0.258806,51.360630,"Brands Hatch - Kent" is one line I had in a file I was compiling, giving the lon/lat and name of the POI. As an aside, you can get all the lon/lat information from multimap etc if you want to create your own POIs.

Open up all the .asc files in notepad and copy/paste all the data into one single file, then save it as say "allcameras.asc". Now bring up a DOS box, browse to the folder where all these files reside, then type "makeov2 allcameras.asc" and click enter. It should then create you a file called "allcameras.ov2" and "allcameras.bmp". To finish off, delete the .bmp file and copy one of the gatso bmp files that pocketgps supply, then rename it to allcameras.bmp, then copy both files into your map directory as normal.

Like I said, this may be a red herring but if it still happens after this, then TomTom cannot say that its 3rd party POI's causing the issue because its all been compiled using their software.

HTH

Chris

Email sent 😊

Well, a tentative fingers crossed so far for the multiple file PocketGPS files that I recompiled, I had them installed and activated (warnings on and not just on route) for my 20 mile / 35 min journey into work this evening and no sign of a GPS drop, compare that to yesterday with the other POI's on the same journey where it dropped twice in one direction, and 3 more times on the way home, and the fact I couldnt go for more than 10 mins without the original PocketGPS POIs when I had them installed over the weekend.

Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris

Locoblade wrote:Email sent 😊

Well, a tentative fingers crossed so far for the multiple file PocketGPS files that I recompiled, I had them installed and activated (warnings on and not just on route) for my 20 mile / 35 min journey into work this evening and no sign of a GPS drop, compare that to yesterday with the other POI's on the same journey where it dropped twice in one direction, and 3 more times on the way home, and the fact I couldnt go for more than 10 mins without the original PocketGPS POIs when I had them installed over the weekend.

Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris

Yes please Chris (aka locoblade).... [email][email protected][/email] 😊

THANX!

Locoblade wrote:
Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris

Yes please. email to [email][email protected][/email]

Thanks.

Locoblade wrote:Email sent 😊

Well, a tentative fingers crossed so far for the multiple file PocketGPS files that I recompiled, I had them installed and activated (warnings on and not just on route) for my 20 mile / 35 min journey into work this evening and no sign of a GPS drop, compare that to yesterday with the other POI's on the same journey where it dropped twice in one direction, and 3 more times on the way home, and the fact I couldnt go for more than 10 mins without the original PocketGPS POIs when I had them installed over the weekend.

Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris

Count me in too please mate :icon2: [email][email protected][/email] Thanks :icon14:

Hi all i tried them red light, specs , gatso, combination and it crashed big style rebooting the phone ever few seconds then it was crashing while trying to select warnings for the poi's ...it worked for about 10 mins then lost the gps and crashed, so i tried the ALL CAMERAS file and that seems ok,
so looks like the n70 simply cannot read more than 1 custom speed cameras.
sad how much the n70 sucks.