> It also does not support multitouch as this is patented by Apple already.
@Unregistered: Sort of true, but this is not clear cut at all. There is LOADS of prior art of multitouch in use before Apple's patent, so I don't know how they got away with it to be honest. Then again the US Patent office has come under huge criticism for blatantly allowing loads of bad patents over years, that should never have been granted.
Also, both Google are talking up multitouch for Android, and Nokia have mentioned it as a future capability for S60 so I think we don't need to worry too much.
Hardeep1singh wrote:Is multitouch a hardware based feature?If its only software based then we can expect a third party app to enable it on s60v5 very soon. 😊
It is hardware based. You cant add multitouch simply by adding a 3rd party app... If it were that simple, it would have been here years ago and had already been part of UIQ. Or touch based WM phones.
i have been a phone key pad guy all along. N 96 came and wowed people. N 85 came and wowed people. But i was so very happy with my n 82. However, this nokia touch is making me waver! Why, because, i can KEEP my n 82 and stretch to buy this at its price. Can play with both for a while and see if whatever i am doing on my n 82 is possible on tube, then thats it otherwise, it becomes a gr8 gift for wife and you get the best of both worlds!!!
sapporobaby wrote:Did Apple patent the technology, IPR, and "concept" or just the hardware side of things? It would be a shame to let Apple own all of that. They will never license it either.
No they didn't patent "multi touch", altough they did patent one way of implimenting it.
Using many fingers to contol something is one those basic human functions that cannot be patented wholly.
Unregistered wrote:No they didn't patent "multi touch", altough they did patent one way of implimenting it. Using many fingers to contol something is one those basic human functions that cannot be patented wholly.
There are allready many other multi touch systems. For example Microsofts multi touch technology. Also dual touch would be more accurate way to describe Apple's touch technology.
No QuickOffice on board? :-/
Unregistered wrote:No QuickOffice on board? :-/
As if its a big deal. This is no closed OS, this is S60. You can always install it when it comes out later.
ashu wrote:.... otherwise, it becomes a gr8 gift for wife and you get the best of both worlds!!!
Here we are wife - have my second choice phone. She will be thrilled.
Mind you, I can't talk - I recently bought my wife an E61 on Ebay. Not exactly cutting edge.
This phone looks nice but I am a bit concerned about text input. I'd like to test that out.
Foobar wrote:Has anyone any idea how good or bad is the backward compatibility with existing 3rd edition software? Are they binary compatible or do they require recompiling on new SDK? How about user interfaces..?
They are binary compatible, so most 3rd Edition applications should run fine - and most of the application's UI should work with any input method. A rebuild is only required if you want to use the new features.
How will the old 3rd designed UIs scale to the new screen size and touch interface?
I expect Nokia to have thought about this, but I have not tried it on the phone yet.
seems very promising indeed,& will no doubt be a best seller...
does the 5800 XM come with miniUSB or microUSB,there are conflicting reports on the net vs the data sheet...
and what I really want to know,does it support USB Charging out the box?
There are a couple of issues regarding apple's supposed multitouch patent:
1. I think that it is currently only an application, meaning that it hasn't yet been granted.
2. If they have only applied for a patent in the US, Nokia and Google can use the same idea in the rest of the world; given that Nokia do not have a big market share in the US, this may not bother them too much...
3. If they have applied for a patent elsewhere (ie. in Europe), they will probably not be awarded a patent; if they do, it will probably be for a very specific embodiment rather than for the general idea, meaning that other companies will be free to use their own multitouch technologies.
4. I am a European patent examiner, and I would be very reluctant to grant apple such a vague and wide-ranging patent; unfortunately, US patent law, and the pressure on the USPTO examiners, means that sometimes these sort of things "slip" through...
I can't believe the price... If the networks don't rip us off then you should be able to get this phone free on �15/�20 per month. This is unlikely to happen for a while though as this is going to sell like in the ship loads.
I can't believe it's cheaper than the 6220c when first launched?
I wish they kept a d-pad on the thing though!
Buster, wow, you must see some pretty cool stuff being proposed for patent by all the nut propellerheads of the world! 😃
ps. Since we are talking about UI (and not to sound like a broken record but...) I think AAS could use an overhaul in that department too.. 😉
This phone offers (more or less) the same things of my N95 excpept the camera (3.2 Mpixels). But is has a large and (on the paper) impressive touchscreen.
I owned 3 pdas (Palm m505, Tungsten T3 and Acer N50) and I think the touchscreen is in general very useful but has also some flaws: scratches, dirt and, overall, it is not so easily readable outside, especially in direct sunlight. Furthermore, in case of hard use (for instance a virtual thumb keyboard to write long documents) it drains the battery very fast.
As a consequence, before giving a definitive judgement of this interesting device, I expect a complete review regarding all these things. Last but no least, I forgot to mention the touch sensitivity: I tried a Samsung Omnia of one of my friends and it is terrible on that point of view.
Don't the icons look like those from most of LucaP themes?
Umberto wrote:This phone offers (more or less) the same things of my N95 excpept the camera (3.2 Mpixels). But is has a large and (on the paper) impressive touchscreen.
I owned 3 pdas (Palm m505, Tungsten T3 and Acer N50) and I think the touchscreen is in general very useful but has also some flaws: scratches, dirt and, overall, it is not so easily readable outside, especially in direct sunlight. Furthermore, in case of hard use (for instance a virtual thumb keyboard to write long documents) it drains the battery very fast.
As a consequence, before giving a definitive judgement of this interesting device, I expect a complete review regarding all these things. Last but no least, I forgot to mention the touch sensitivity: I tried a Samsung Omnia of one of my friends and it is terrible on that point of view.
So far all the so called touchscreen phones (including Nokia 5800, Samsung Omnia, Innov8, LG Viewty, HTC Touch, etc.)are based resistive touch technology which requires you to apply pressure for screen input. That is the main reason why they are usually less sensitive to touch and requires the use of a stylus pen.
iPhone touchscreen is based on capacitive touch technology which works to your fingers electricity for input (and supports up to 5 fingers multitouch). It is more subtle, fluid and precise as compared to Nokia 5800.
India times has a comparison of the 5800 and iPhone here.
Unregistered wrote:So far all the so called touchscreen phones (including Nokia 5800, Samsung Omnia, Innov8, LG Viewty, HTC Touch, etc.)are based resistive touch technology which requires you to apply pressure for screen input. That is the main reason why they are usually less sensitive to touch and requires the use of a stylus pen.iPhone touchscreen is based on capacitive touch technology which works to your fingers electricity for input (and supports up to 5 fingers multitouch). It is more subtle, fluid and precise as compared to Nokia 5800.
But you can't use it with gloves on, so you're screwed if you're out in the cold and want to text someone.
Way to go apple .....
But I'll echo the other comments on multi touch. Its not the end of the world, and I cannot believe with all the prior art out there that Apple would be granted a patent on multi-touch or gesture related input.
Man, I'm really impressed with the 5800, in every regard except one: the location of the ports at the top. Why did Nokia do this (also with the N85)? Is there some rationale I'm not figuring out? I use my Nokia 6120c in my car a lot, with the power and AV cables plugged in nicely at the bottom of the phone. With the 5800, we'll have these jutting out of the top and wrapping back downward toward the center console of the car! Weird.
I own an aging 9500, and aging myself, the best features for me are the Contacts (over 2000) Calendar (easily >10 entries per day), and spreadsheet with graphing functions. I use it mainly for business. I've been looking for a replacement that is a little more compact, so the E90 is too big, but with a decent size screen, so the E71's is too small. Could the 5800 be the one we've been waiting for? Obviously it's targeted at music users, but could it be a serious business tool? Can it run and make the best use of Quickoffice?
Thanks for any business-user insight here.
The 5800 could be a serious business tool just as well as any other phone. (My phone is a serious business tool for me, but I don't use QuickOffice for anything. I'm currently using the N95 8GB. Of course what "serious" and "business" means is different for different people.)
I haven't seen any references to QuickOffice in regards to the 5800, but you could always ask QuickOffice if they've plans to support it and S60 5th Edition: http://www.quickoffice.com
However, if you type/write a lot, then a phone with a proper keyboard might still be better for you.
Scoob wrote:I own an aging 9500, and aging myself, the best features for me are the Contacts (over 2000) Calendar (easily >10 entries per day), and spreadsheet with graphing functions. I use it mainly for business. I've been looking for a replacement that is a little more compact, so the E90 is too big, but with a decent size screen, so the E71's is too small. Could the 5800 be the one we've been waiting for? Obviously it's targeted at music users, but could it be a serious business tool? Can it run and make the best use of Quickoffice?Thanks for any business-user insight here.
I’ve always been a Nokia user, but one of the one biggest holes which I’ve noticed in Nokia S60 devices is its VPN implementation.
Business users need proper VPN, even the crappy version 1 iPhone can do basic PPTP connections. Nokia can only do the horrible and expensive to implement 'IPsec'.
Eseries has been out for years, why isn’t Nokia covering PPTP and Open SSL/OpenVPN? It’s just softwares isn’t it?
This means a lot to those like me, who live in countries like UAE, China, & KSA where most of the cool sites/services like Last.FM, Flickr, SIP, Skype etc, have been blocked for years. This lack of proper VPN support hurts us financially, as much I like Nokia, they really suck at implementing proper VPN.
davekolmer wrote:Man, I'm really impressed with the 5800, in every regard except one: the location of the ports at the top. Why did Nokia do this (also with the N85)? Is there some rationale I'm not figuring out? I use my Nokia 6120c in my car a lot, with the power and AV cables plugged in nicely at the bottom of the phone. With the 5800, we'll have these jutting out of the top and wrapping back downward toward the center console of the car! Weird.
I agree, I was thinking the same. Cable management will be a nusiance in the car. Not everyone likes to use bluetooth, especially since those cassette adapters are cheap and sound better :biggrin:. Unless we can rotate the whole screen 180 degress, just a firmware update right?
RadicalSatDude wrote:Not everyone likes to use bluetooth, especially since those cassette adapters are cheap and sound better :biggrin:
That just made me spit coffee over my keyboard. If you think of that you might as well get a walkman their is a HUGE difference.
RadicalSatDude wrote:I�ve always been a Nokia user, but one of the one biggest holes which I�ve noticed in Nokia S60 devices is its VPN implementation.Business users need proper VPN, even the crappy version 1 iPhone can do basic PPTP connections. Nokia can only do the horrible and expensive to implement 'IPsec'.
Eseries has been out for years, why isn�t Nokia covering PPTP and Open SSL/OpenVPN? It�s just softwares isn�t it?
I'll echo that, its not even present on any E series devices. And I cannot think of any good reason why.
Unplugged wrote:That just made me spit coffee over my keyboard. If you think of that you might as well get a walkman their is a HUGE difference.
Oh my fault, I was making the comparison to FM transmitters.
RadicalSatDude wrote:Oh my fault, I was making the comparison to FM transmitters.
Ah 😊 I just found the front to my Bluetooth Radio and after 2 months of torture I can testify that bluetooth is a hell of a lot better than tape converters 😉
BlackN91 wrote:I don't know about any good reason either. I did beta-testing for PPTP client more then year ago, all works just fine there. Looks like that developer simply is not planning to distribute this software, my guess is that the probable reason is the amount of illegal software usage on unprotected S60 platform, so it is simply not profitable enough from development and consecutive support points of view.
Is there any way to get an offcial response from Nokia on this, or send this message across. Since they're already bundling a VPN client (Although a virtually useless one) they could just build on top of that or release different variants.
I'm really confused about why Nokia would release business class devices or apps that fall so short. It's not like we're talking about some usless kiddy accelerometer app, it's the almighty VPN!
I see from the draft manual that Nokia still aren't including features like Tab support in the browser.
Hope Opera announce they'll be releasing a S60 5th edition beta of opera 9.5 for soon after the 5800s release or I won't be getting one of these for a while.
Also any news on whether S60 5th edition is finally bringing back Connection Groups ?