LOCKED:TomTom patch for N95 available now? (warning: scam information in this thread)

Xdaman wrote:Hi Dez,

Why doesn't someone introduce themselves to Gpsmidlands and instead of being 'undercover' give them your true username(I already have).

Im sure they know who I am, Ive never hid who I am, and the fact I want it for a 6110 navigator. I dont see what difference this makes however. Its way to far for me, otherwise Id have already gone.

As for a demonstration, Id only settle for seeing it work on my own device. Theres too many things that can be done otherwise.

No offence meant, but the reason why no-one would trust you is because you claim you dont care, but constantly fight their corner.

Now theres nothing wrong with that at all, people have differing opinions of course.

But you see my point I hope. You come on here, insulting various people and you havent done anything or commented on anything except this subject.

Its only natural people will view you with suspicion Im afraid.

My guess is the patch is there but given all the crap thats been spread they have decided to look after their own corporate clients.

That would be a stupid move, like cutting the nose off to spite the face.

Theres only a small amount of people out of thousands 'badmouthing' GPSM. A release of a patch would not only vindicate them beyond belief, it would shame all the doubters.

What have they to gain by witholding the patch? Nothing, except a small bit of glee by not giving it to people who dont believe it exists anyway?

And no-ones going to beleive it exists then.

Or maybe someone established on this forum doesn't want to eat humble pie after witnessing the solution.

If it exists, I'll quite happily eat humble pie. They will have still handled it badly, but I'll be wrong.

Im sorry, but with no mention at all of nokia before, and all of a sudden now its way too convienent.

I'll tell you what. Why dont they actually give the patch to a well known forum for proof?

That way, they can be assured of it not spreading (as they are going to lock it to IMEI anyway), and it will be published for all to see. And who can refute that then?

Edit: Dez got there while I was typing up my reply!

Just thought Id post some very repuatble and popular sites.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/

http://www.theinquirer.net/

My opinion is that GPSM have not done a patch, and its a lie blown up and running out of control.

However, if they call my bluff and get on those sites with a patch (which they would publish, thats exactly the sort of news they have) then I'll have nothing to say except....I was totally wrong. And I wouldnt have the patch either.

bartmanekul wrote:Im sure they know who I am, Ive never hid who I am, and the fact I want it for a 6110 navigator. I dont see what difference this makes however. Its way to far for me, otherwise Id have already gone.

As for a demonstration, Id only settle for seeing it work on my own device. Theres too many things that can be done otherwise.

No offence meant, but the reason why no-one would trust you is because you claim you dont care, but constantly fight their corner.

Now theres nothing wrong with that at all, people have differing opinions of course.

But you see my point I hope. You come on here, insulting various people and you havent done anything or commented on anything except this subject.

Its only natural people will view you with suspicion Im afraid.

That would be a stupid move, like cutting the nose off to spite the face.

Theres only a small amount of people out of thousands 'badmouthing' GPSM. A release of a patch would not only vindicate them beyond belief, it would shame all the doubters.

What have they to gain by witholding the patch? Nothing, except a small bit of glee by not giving it to people who dont believe it exists anyway?

And no-ones going to beleive it exists then.

If it exists, I'll quite happily eat humble pie. They will have still handled it badly, but I'll be wrong.

Im sorry, but with no mention at all of nokia before, and all of a sudden now its way too convienent.

I'll tell you what. Why dont they actually give the patch to a well known forum for proof?

That way, they can be assured of it not spreading (as they are going to lock it to IMEI anyway), and it will be published for all to see. And who can refute that then?

Edit: Dez got there while I was typing up my reply!

Here you go again

I'm not fighting anyones corner I'm defending software developers.

How quick do you think you would have seen your 6110 if it wasn't for Alpha & Beta testing.

I notice there are no negative remarks from genuine developers who know a bit about binary codes. If there have I apologise

Anyone knows when you compile software the reverse imagery within the platform can cause you more problems that the software itself.

Example: they may have got tomtom to work but as they are messing with the N95 code itself it could present all sorts of problems.

Please do not refer to any of my posts because you have got the completely wrong picture and it winds me up. Everyone who writes some non negative posts about gpsmidlands just gets a volley of negatives from you. If it helps what about this

Gpsmidlands are toss***, wan****, liars, cheats, if it makes you feel better there you go.

Hardware is NOT software.

Why do you think less than .4% of the I.T industry actually write software.

Thats a fact not fiction. Check the web to confirm it for yourself

Then your a bad one.

Stop all this about software development. It has no bearing on this issue.

I'm not fighting anyones corner I'm defending software developers.

How quick do you think you would have seen your 6110 if it wasn't for Alpha & Beta testing.

What the hell has that to do with it?

The point here, which you must get into your head otherwise we will go around in circles, with you spouting totally pointless stuff, is that they are going about it entirely wrong.

Ill tell you one more time, that I understand software development and selling it probably better than you do.

Lets go down the path your suggesting.

GPSM have done a tomtom patch and are working on one that doesnt affect tomtom.

Due to the complexities of programming, they keep hitting problems which delays the release.

Now, as they claim they are developers and have done several total solutions, would you agree with me that they should know about development and submitting to the relevant parties before final release?

Ok, so heres the problems I have with this theory.

They have told several people in phonecalls/email at least on this forum about a ready date. They have all been surpassed by quite a bit. Ok, you can put that to complex code coming up.

They have not said they are having difficulty. They have said they are awaiting approval from their corperate customers. (Due last week).

You now say they told you they wont release the patch without approval from nokia. Now this to me proves that they are one of two things:

Totally inept at what they do

or

lying

Why?

Because why would you tell so many people a date for the patch being ready when you havent already submitted it to nokia?

Or already asked for...'approval' by their corperate clients?

Short of it is, if they are developers they are going about it totally ass backwards. You dont tell people somethings ready soon when you havent finished coding and havent even submitted it to the relevant parties yet. And what you certainly dont do is keep telling clients (ok, they are not paying clients but the point still stands) that its going to be ready 'xx day'.

Im willing to beleive that theres problems coding it. I know this happens often (dispite what utter shite you pedaled about me thinking its just like hardware), what I dont accept is the excuses. Its not the time its taking thats so much the issue, its what exactly is taking that time and an acumulation of other factors that brings me and others to our opinions.

Anyway, the oppertunity for GPSM to prove me wrong is there, in my before post (and Dez_borders). This can be done with no negative to them.

Whatever chap but do you really think gpsmidlands are bothered. Like I said at least I get a reply. Tomtom are like the scarlet pimpernel. Never get them when you need to

This is how I and a few others see it with the gpsmidlands patch

They said they have complied a patch.

The originators of the software told them to get rid.

They got rid and are are attempting to sort a new solution.

I know that is may not suit everone including me but if you check out my earlier threads all I did was say, hang on give them a chance.

Since then I have been barracked by a few(even though I've had plenty of pm's congratulating me on my spin on the situation).

Maybe I'm a little biased because as a developer I know how frustrating it can be to get things sorted.

Gpsmidlands may be inept with the delivery time but so are Sony Ericsson, Nokia,o2, Orange, Vodaphone Mitac, Hp, Dell, Microsoft(Live Comms Server 2008 promised Aug 06, Sept 06, Oct 06..............and yes Aug 07 and all we have as Microsoft partners is still a crap beta version which we are not allowed to distribute yet to a public whom WE yes We promised 6 months ago.

What you might be better doing is climbing out of your symbian shell and take a look at www.xda-developers.com.

There you will find lots of junior developers whom have taken Windows Mobile devices apart and made them into something which resembles a useable piece of kit. Check out Windows Mobile 6 and you will see what I mean. Thats why the developers site is both widely respected and unbelieveably well liked. Hardly any whingeing just problem solving 'within the community'

Shame on you o2 Xda Orange SPV Vodaphone 'V' Series Htc and the like. Your poor development work has had to be finished by a 'crap' website like the xda-developers but hey at least these guys got serious with the kit.

The only thing lacking with this forum is some SERIOUS symbian 'root' knowledge.

When you guys get serious you will be in a position to stick 2 fingers up to the likes of Nokia TomTom & Gpsmidlands and sort it yourselves but hey, be careful dont get making false promises, otherwise some members of the forum might turn round and 'bite' you.

i do not even understand how you are comparing "Gpsmidlands" to Sony Ericsson, Nokia,o2, Orange, Vodaphone Mitac, Hp, Dell and Microsoft. The level of coding and structure is not even comparable.

all i can see is you supporting bullshit, even if there is a software and its working which maybe true but it does not take away the FACT they lying all the time simple as that which is what is pissing people off.

Whatever chap but do you really think gpsmidlands are bothered. Like I said at least I get a reply. Tomtom are like the scarlet pimpernel. Never get them when you need to

Course not, thats why they posted in the forum and have also removed the 'tomtom patch available now!' text after much attention in this thread.

They got rid and are are attempting to sort a new solution.

I know that is may not suit everone including me but if you check out my earlier threads all I did was say, hang on give them a chance.

That would be fine, but as I said, in bold in the vain hope you would see it, that its an accumulation of things rather than just time thats bringing people to disbeleive theres a patch. Course, time rolling on way past many of their own deadlines doesnt help.

Maybe I'm a little biased because as a developer I know how frustrating it can be to get things sorted.

Then if you think the aforementioned points in my other posts are not indicative of something wrong, your a seriously bad one. How can you possibly gloss over all my points and simply say its development problems?

Rose tinted specs? Seriously kid, its shocking. Im glad about your (claimed) guys PMing you. But I dont suppose any of them have any proof this patch exists do they?

Gpsmidlands may be inept with the delivery time but so are Sony Ericsson, Nokia,o2, Orange, Vodaphone Mitac, Hp, Dell, Microsoft(Live Comms Server 2008 promised Aug 06, Sept 06, Oct 06..............and yes Aug 07 and all we have as Microsoft partners is still a crap beta version which we are not allowed to distribute yet to a public whom WE yes We promised 6 months ago.

Thanks for proving my point. You obviously think thats unacceptable (which it is imo), as they have promised to deliver on numourus dates. And have not done so. See any parallel here?

Moot point. I assume those are all waiting for microsoft, rather than all of those companies themselves holding it up. Try not to cloud the issue by making it look like many companies do it all the time. And come on. Thats a bit more complex than what we are talking about.

I dont think its a comparision between such things, as well as the size of the companies, but you did insist on making it so.

Besides, this discussion is about GPSM developing a much wanted patch for the N95 and tomtom. If its about microsoft, youd probably find people annoyed about the delay you mention on various microsoft related forums.

When you guys get serious you will be in a position to stick 2 fingers up to the likes of Nokia TomTom & Gpsmidlands and sort it yourselves but hey, be careful dont get making false promises, otherwise some members of the forum might turn round and 'bite' you.

Well oddly enough, I have my own life to lead, and dont have the time to delve into trying to learn a whole lot of new stuff. I also have memory problems which is a real hinderance for such things (it also makes having a decent satnav important to me 😉 ).

But I cant do the patch, and thus dont make such promises that I cannot keep.

bartmanekul wrote:Course not, thats why they posted in the forum and have also removed the 'tomtom patch available now!' text after much attention in this thread.

That would be fine, but as I said, in bold in the vain hope you would see it, that its an accumulation of things rather than just time thats bringing people to disbeleive theres a patch. Course, time rolling on way past many of their own deadlines doesnt help.

Then if you think the aforementioned points in my other posts are not indicative of something wrong, your a seriously bad one. How can you possibly gloss over all my points and simply say its development problems?

Rose tinted specs? Seriously kid, its shocking. Im glad about your (claimed) guys PMing you. But I dont suppose any of them have any proof this patch exists do they?

Thanks for proving my point. You obviously think thats unacceptable (which it is imo), as they have promised to deliver on numourus dates. And have not done so. See any parallel here?

Moot point. I assume those are all waiting for microsoft, rather than all of those companies themselves holding it up. Try not to cloud the issue by making it look like many companies do it all the time. And come on. Thats a bit more complex than what we are talking about.

I dont think its a comparision between such things, as well as the size of the companies, but you did insist on making it so.

Besides, this discussion is about GPSM developing a much wanted patch for the N95 and tomtom. If its about microsoft, youd probably find people annoyed about the delay you mention on various microsoft related forums.

Well oddly enough, I have my own life to lead, and dont have the time to delve into trying to learn a whole lot of new stuff. I also have memory problems which is a real hinderance for such things (it also makes having a decent satnav important to me 😉 ).

But I cant do the patch, and thus dont make such promises that I cannot keep.

Lets just agree to disagree

I think the patch is there.

I'm waiting for various established members to contact gpsmidlands to get it verified.

If they are going to install it before your very eyes cant really argue can we.

Think the moderator might be the best best dont you, or are we going to doubt him also ?

I agree with you Xdaman, we need the mods to step forward

Lets just agree to disagree

I think the patch is there.

Fair enough, and well said.

I'm waiting for various established members to contact gpsmidlands to get it verified.

That would be ideal.

Think the moderator might be the best best dont you, or are we going to doubt him also ?

That would be what everyone wants, from both sides regardless of the outcome. Verification would bring an end to it, although I daresay it would start many off on 'how long' questions 🙄

why cant they post a video on youtube of it being installed and working? Im not really botherd when its released but wud b cool to c. X x

sveaney wrote:why cant they post a video on youtube of it being installed and working? Im not really botherd when its released but wud b cool to c. X x

Because anything on YouTube can be faked.

Dont know why but when i see all the xbox and ps2/3 repairs on there it makes me think hmmmm, they apparently they are a "specialist provider of Gps solutions and consultancy"

So why they feel the need to fix xboxes and playstations etc is beyond me, im sure the staff in HMV could polish my shoes too but they dont.

We had a computer shop in Sheffield that specialized in selling blank CD's and DVDs' they had their own website too and proclaimed all the usual marketing hype. When in actual fact if you ever went in the shops it was merely a cowboy outfit that just spent their time chipping playstations and xboxes from the confines of a small back room with shoddy equipment.

Sorry but im getting this image with GPS midlands all over again.

I thought that too, but I figured if I said it people would just think I was needlessly bashing. Many years ago I did work in a shop just like you described. Wasnt fun :frown:

A little exercise if anyone has the inclanation and better googling skills than I.

Perhaps they could find out if those 2 companies exist: http://www.gpsmidlands.co.uk/index.php?menu=Developer

Just something to do, and since BASW is international I assume they are on the net in some form. However I cant find it at all. Still, my googling skills are not wonderful.

I'm not going to go down this route anymore

You obviously know nothing whatsoever about software development and the work that goes into it.

I've spent enough time on this issue.

What I suggest to anyone is go try it, Its not not like sticking a piece of 'hardware' in a pc and waiting for the the cache to kick in.

Takes a bit more nounce than that.

All I'm saying is if you cant do it dont slag it

WTF????

Have I missed something here??? - How do you get to the point I was 'Slagging' anyone off??? - I was simply saying what a good thread this was - and that it would be great if a patch was available.

Chill out dude!!

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A little exercise if anyone has the inclanation and better googling skills than I.

Perhaps they could find out if those 2 companies exist:

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a quick search shows there are two 'mds solutions', one dissolved in '92 and the other in '04. Can't find a BASW (could be an abbreviation).

Nothing for 'GPS Midlands' so either they are trading under a different name or they are taking all of us for a ride. Watching how events have unfolded over recent weeks I will take the latter.

There is as much chance this patch existing let alone being released to the public as there is of me buying everyone who posted in this thread (including 'Gpsmidlands'😉 a brand new Nokia E90 AND spare N95! 😉

Not quite sure what your getting at there, you searching though a company database or something? GPSmidlands obviously have the website, and a few mentions on other sites (although nothing compared to where AAS has gotten in the search results!).

There is as much chance this patch existing let alone being released to the public as there is of me buying everyone who posted in this thread (including 'Gpsmidlands'😉 a brand new Nokia E90 AND spare N95!

Oh go on, I havent got either.

Sending you a PM btw.

cmssbrie wrote:I'm not going to go down this route anymore

You obviously know nothing whatsoever about software development and the work that goes into it.

I've spent enough time on this issue.

What I suggest to anyone is go try it, Its not not like sticking a piece of 'hardware' in a pc and waiting for the the cache to kick in.

Takes a bit more nounce than that.

All I'm saying is if you cant do it dont slag it

WTF????

Have I missed something here??? - How do you get to the point I was 'Slagging' anyone off??? - I was simply saying what a good thread this was - and that it would be great if a patch was available.

Chill out dude!!

Sorry chap I wasn't referring to you.

I pulled the wrong reply in

Cheers

bartmanekul wrote:Not quite sure what your getting at there, you searching though a company database or something? GPSmidlands obviously have the website, and a few mentions on other sites (although nothing compared to where AAS has gotten in the search results!).

Oh go on, I havent got either.

Sending you a PM btw.

Whisper Whisper

Try Mobile Data Solutions chap these are market leading data experts originating from the US.

Think I know who BASW is but cant say for definite

Try British Association of ***************

They are all over the place but like I say can't comment for sure

Whisper Whisper

Not my intention to seem like that, but I noticed that the forum by default doesnt seem to alert you to a new message, apart from just the unread thing saying 1. I didnt realise for a while, as Im used to forums alerting via email.

As he was a new user I thought it best to tell him. Sorry if you think its me trying to sound cloak and dagger.

Try British Association of ***************

Of what? Its got to be healthcare, and its not British anything, as its 'BASW International '

bartmanekul wrote:Not my intention to seem like that, but I noticed that the forum by default doesnt seem to alert you to a new message, apart from just the unread thing saying 1. I didnt realise for a while, as Im used to forums alerting via email.

As he was a new user I thought it best to tell him. Sorry if you think its me trying to sound cloak and dagger.

Of what? Its got to be healthcare, and its not British anything, as its 'BASW International '

Hmmm... definitely missed that

well if they want guinea pig i am up for it as i only live 4.5 miles from them and have N95 at hand to check if they really have the patch.
and yes they can remove it before i leave the shop.

Dude....go for it.....and prove/disprove this one way or another.

Phone them up and ask if.....in THEIR best interests......they could verify the patch.

Insist its on your phone only though, even if it is removed later. Call me cynical, but I dont trust it otherwise.

Theres no reason for them not to agree with this.

Of course, I still dont see why they havent submitted it to a popular internet site, like this one, or the register etc simply to disprove everyone.

yep....and dont let the phone out of your sight for a moment.

Or some sneaky sod might pair it with an external bluetooth GPS.
:tongue:

kevree wrote:yep....and dont let the phone out of your sight for a moment.

Or some sneaky sod might pair it with an external bluetooth GPS.
:tongue:

They should be able to quite easily shoot the sisx (or .sis) package over bluetooth to your phone without them ever having to touch it. Then disable/turn-off bluetooth completely and install it and see if it works.
Never let them touch your phone BEFORE installing the program.

This was sent 14/07/2007

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Website Form Submission

> Hi xxxxx>

> Check our website chap do we really look a 'hoax' outfit:con?
>
> We have compiled a patch but unfortunately the patch overwrites part of
> the tomtom registry. This link was posted on the website but 11 hours
> later we received notification from the software author that we were in
> breach of the VERO software policy.
>
> This effectively means we are providing a form of unlicensed software
> which as a tomtom distributor means we will be in deep water unless we can
> amend it.
>
> We are in the process of compiling a different source code which will
> effectively only allow 'licensed' users use of the patch.
>
> Hopefully this will be available within 7 days.
>
> We will post a download hyperlink on the home page to confirm
> availability.
>
> Thanks
>
> Simon

Available for 11_hours so who downloaded it?

Seen that on another forum.

There has been no account on the whole of the internet that I can find of a single person having gotten that patch.

In addition, theres nothing on google cached pages that supports their frankly BS claim.

Anyone else can feel free to look.

So much for 7 days, thats yet another own set timeline they have missed.

Dont spose theres any word of them sending anything to a tech news site?

Didnt think so.

bartmanekul wrote:
Dont spose theres any word of them sending anything to a tech news site?

Didnt think so.

You seem to be obsessed with this idea of them getting confirmation through a tech news (or the like) site.

I can't see why they would be bothered about doing such a thing. Why would they care if we believe them? In any event, I don't see it as something that The Register would publish. A phone-related blog maybe.

(Google cache.. very unlikely that it would have caught something up for 11 hours)

Because they are obviously bothered by whats going on here, or they wouldnt have posted. They also wouldnt have taken down the 'N95 patch tomtom available now!' text which people complained about here for so long.

I simply think its by far the easiest way for them to prove they have a patch.

And I bet the Reg would publish it, esp in their hardware/software bit.

My view - they are waiting for tomtom to bring out ver 7.

Then they will blame nokia for not approving it in time 🙄

Seriously...over 4 of their own timelines missed...submitting for approval from their corperate clients (how many of those use N95s for satnav instead of the solutions GPSM gave them?)...and now something about nokia, according to Xdaman.