The pictures I take without flash look like they all have better colour accuracy. Nearly all the ones with flash look terribly yellowish. With flash, the colours on the screen before the capture look nothing like the processed image. It's as if the LEDs are what's fucking my pictures.
Damian, I notice you're online now. Should I get a replacement? Does it sound like a hardware problem? I've done a hard reset and reinstalled firmware 11.
@ r-486.
v20 fw has seen improvements in colour indoors with and without flash. Given the complexity of getting good white balance with LED flash over a wide range of conditions I think we have better white balance than before. I expect this will improve in futre products as LED continues to be developed. For now I think this is probably the best balance when you consider a wide range of different conditions. In other words if you try and improve for one specific situation you'll make another worse.
The first N86 I had did not produce yellowish output anywhere as bad as my second one. This is why I think there's something wrong with it.
@miki69 and others .
A common question/belief is thatlarge files = better pics. In theory this is correct, however in practice it is not always, here's why.
1. an image with more noise will effectively prevent jpeg compression from compressing the image. So a larger file may simply have more noise but could still have less detail.
2. we tend to prioritise colour reproduction which is vibrant but still natural. to acheive this we need to increase the amount of colour compensation from the sensor. The negative side of this is that it also increases noise. In earlier releases we have been applying quite strong noise reduction to provide smooth images. most people don't view images at such magnifiation that this causes any real world problems. However, with v20 N86 fw we continued to try different sets of image tuning parameters. With this release we felt that we could improve detail visible even under normal viewing without adversley impacting on noise at such magnifications. I'm personally really happy with this new tuning when taking into account many different situations. We recently reviewed our compression to ensure we had the optimum balance of file size and image quality. We concluded that even at very high magnifications reducing the compression would not have any visual improvement in the image yet would drammaticaly increase the file size which would negatively impact on storage and upload but more importanly also the processing times.
I hope you find that useful info.
atb
miki69 wrote:When I check with JbakTaskman, I have noticed 2 Contacts app opened:
One is "real" contacts (file named phonebook2.exe), the other one is some link (coowebkitui.exe), that leads nowhere.I don't know why Contacts are opened (resident in memory) even if I closed them (exit). However I don't see that "orb" on Contacts, I can just see this in JbakTaskman or Handy Taskman.
Also, sometimes I have Log active in memory, even if I haven't opened it at all.
Any idea?
Same with me. I guess that's the way it suppose to work.
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Cheers,
Miki
I already mentioned that:
lukpot wrote:
Oh, and if you use task manager other than the default one, when you open the contacts for the first time there are 2 "contacts" processes (probably because of the new chat), it would be great if there was only one process shown
And now when I actually started using ovi chat there is yet another process, "chat". It's not so hard to make them invisible to the 3rd party task managars, I don't understand why can't they do that. It would be even better if they were closed completely, but hidden is also an acceptable compromise.
It's very annoying when tasks list looks like this:
Caskanje=Chat; Dnevnik=Log
I didn't open any of those applications (except ScreenSnap, of course).
I can kill those tasks, but they will pop up again when I open contacts and log and they will stay there even if I close them(with regular "exit"😉.
@DamianDinning
I hope these problems are forwarded to the right people, I see your field of expertise is camera-related 😉
Genus, you noticed and mentioned the yellowish tint on the pictures. Did v20 make a substantial difference? It�s like the LEDs are pissing on my pictures. Maybe we have defective LEDs. I just don�t think yours can be as bas as mine or maybe yours is just normal. Do you have captured images to show? I�ve taken 100s of pictures and stuck them all in one folder. I�ve arranged them by date and browsed across them viewable by thumbnail. I can tell if an image had flash or not by the EXIF information. There�s a difference between the phone�s pictures no doubt. I should just return it instead of complaining.
Lukpot, what is the EDIT button of the N86 for ScreenSnap?
DamianDinning wrote:If you prefer to have a silent camera both the shutter sound and focus confirmation you need to select a profile with this deactivated e.g. silent or customise your active profile and deactivate the warning tones. However, some markets and some operators require this to always be active which is why on some products deactivating the warning tones will not effect the camera sounds. atb
What do you mean by markets? Is there an alternative way? Could I delete the tones to make them go away? I do admit the focus tone can be useful if not looking at the screen for the green focus indicator.
r-486 wrote:What do you mean by markets? Is there an alternative way? Could I delete the tones to make them go away? I do admit the focus tone can be useful if not looking at the screen for the green focus indicator.
It means, that for example in USA you cannot turn the tone off, while in another country (like Poland for example) you can - of course depending on the version of your phone.
DamianDinning wrote:@ r-486.v20 fw has seen improvements in colour indoors with and without flash. ...
I totally agree with you. White balance is much better, now I have white walls instead of warmer yellowish.
But I allways have to take 2 or 3 pictures to get one which is not blurry, because of the slight movement af my hands. Taking pictures ov moving person or objects ends up with a blurry "comet tail" 😃
Why I can't vary the shutter speed manually? Taking the ISO to 800 isn't enough to prevent blurry pictures.
r-486 wrote:Lukpot, what is the EDIT button of the N86 for ScreenSnap?
r-486 wrote:What do you mean by markets?
Apparently Japan has a problem with voyeurs using their phone's camera to try and take dirty pictures of the view from under an unsuspecting schoolgirl's skirt or down one's blouse. It turned into such a problem that on nearly all phones available in Japan, snapping a picture will always make a conspicuous shutter sound, or sometimes even say "cheese".
With my 6720 camera sounds is always on, regardless of profile selected (eg Silent). Quite annoying! If you want to take image with your friends in restaurant... well you attract the "unwanted attention" Good thing this is corrected in N86.
Cheers,
Miki
DamianDinning wrote:Big apologies for the delay, we are working on the issue. I won't go into the details but suffice to say that we had high confidence the first round of NSU updates would be available last week. Unfortunately we were unable to meet this in the end as you now know. I have my fingers crossed later this week for 1st round variant updates but am unable to guarantee it.If yours is not in this 1st round we'll bring it as quickly as we can, but the process does take time. I appreciate this can be frustrating but is way more complicated than it sounds on the surface. If you have already tried FOTA and it says the update is not available the chances are that your variant code will not be available via NSU this week either. The exact schedule for other variants other than those released already via FOTA I am unable to comment further at this stage.
Please be assured we are doing everything we can to get the updates to you as quickly as possible.
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Hi Damian.
Just thought i'd let you know that v20 FW update is now available on NSU. Just checked and it was there.
Have had to wait 2 weeks from the date you originally gave but it's now here, so thank you!
And for anyone who's asking i'm on Euro 1 product code! Update, update, update!!!
shit happens for me...
just read the post, that FW 20 is now available via NSU, made a hardreset so that i can update, but forgot to check if it�s available for me normal german variant 586595,
but nothing is there via NSU, so i can install once more my apps and then do the hardreset again when the FW is out.
Bullsh.. that was my fault :frown:😡
r-486 wrote:Genus, you noticed and mentioned the yellowish tint on the pictures. Did v20 make a substantial difference? It�s like the LEDs are pissing on my pictures. Maybe we have defective LEDs. I just don�t think yours can be as bas as mine or maybe yours is just normal. Do you have captured images to show? I�ve taken 100s of pictures and stuck them all in one folder. I�ve arranged them by date and browsed across them viewable by thumbnail. I can tell if an image had flash or not by the EXIF information. There�s a difference between the phone�s pictures no doubt. I should just return it instead of complaining.
As your request
Here you are
Total dark condition
Fluorescent light on with flash
Night mode
Flash on
Flash off under incandescence light at indoor
Flash on under incandescence light at indoor
Outdoor 80% dark flash on
Macro flash on
djmuzi wrote:I totally agree with you. White balance is much better, now I have white walls instead of warmer yellowish.But I allways have to take 2 or 3 pictures to get one which is not blurry, because of the slight movement af my hands. Taking pictures ov moving person or objects ends up with a blurry "comet tail" 😃
Why I can't vary the shutter speed manually? Taking the ISO to 800 isn't enough to prevent blurry pictures.
Have you tried using your left index finger and and thumb to brace it against your right hand? Someone mentioned trying it in this thread. I think one of the bigger problems causing this is the stupid camera button takes a lot of effort to press. If it was easier to press, there would be less blurriness.
lukpot wrote:If I understand you correctly, edit button (pencil) is # on N86, but I use camera button to take screenshots. It can be changed in settings.Here is an example from one article 😃 :
Apparently Japan has a problem with voyeurs using their phone's camera to try and take dirty pictures of the view from under an unsuspecting schoolgirl's skirt or down one's blouse. It turned into such a problem that on nearly all phones available in Japan, snapping a picture will always make a conspicuous shutter sound, or sometimes even say "cheese".
When I press #, it dials it. If I hold it, it sends the phone it silent mode. There's only three options for shortcuts. I think I'm using a different program even if the name is similar. It's called ScrnSnapS60.
For now until I figure a way of muting the camera tone, if I want to take a picture of a girl's butt when she's walking, I'll have to use tone 4 as it's only a beep. It's less suspecting.
genus86 wrote:As your requestHere you are
The one outside in the dark I thought would have fared better, but it's probably the long distance. In the user-defined scene mode, you can increase the exposure compensation for that situation. I guess choosing incandescent for the white balance mode would always be better indoors? I would have to experiment. A feature I would like to see would be multiple user defined settings for different situations. Instead of having to change it every time it if I'm indoors or when it's sunny outside or whatever situation.
I don't think your camera can reproduce this image pissed on by the LEDs.
DamianDinning wrote:If you prefer to have a silent camera both the shutter sound and focus confirmation you need to select a profile with this deactivated e.g. silent or customise your active profile and deactivate the warning tones. However, some markets and some operators require this to always be active which is why on some products deactivating the warning tones will not effect the camera sounds. atb
With regards to the above - all i have to do to have a silent camera i.e makes no camera shutter noise when i take a/any photo is to put my phone on silent. Works a treat! I'm on Euro 1 product code.
r-486 wrote:Have you tried using your left index finger and and thumb to brace it against your right hand? Someone mentioned trying it in this thread. I think one of the bigger problems causing this is the stupid camera button takes a lot of effort to press. If it was easier to press, there would be less blurriness.
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I allways use the 2 second timer, but it doesn't help that much, the slightest move can blur the picture 😞 50% are blurry, so I take at least 2 of a kind.
djmuzi wrote:I allways use the 2 second timer, but it doesn't help that much, the slightest move can blur the picture 😞 50% are blurry, so I take at least 2 of a kind.
I don't know if you can focus with the timer. I'm in an inappropriate position to try it now. I've always used the focus by pressing the shutter button half way down. If it's red, then it's not locked. If the focus indicator turns green, then it's good. Then fully press the button for a shot. Focus I think helps get rid of blur. The camera has a shutter speed of 1/1000th of a second. Blurring at this rate makes me wonder what's causing it? I always thought it was the hard to press button, but in your case assuming your steady it seems there may be another cause for it. I agree it's unacceptable even without focus. Are you using version 11 firmware?
r-486 wrote:I don't know if you can focus with the timer. I'm in an inappropriate position to try it now. I've always used the focus by pressing the shutter button half way down. If it's red, then it's not locked. If the focus indicator turns green, then it's good. Then fully press the button for a shot. Focus I think helps get rid of blur. The camera has a shutter speed of 1/1000th of a second. Blurring at this rate makes me wonder what's causing it? I always thought it was the hard to press button, but in your case assuming your steady it seems there may be another cause for it. I agree it's unacceptable even without focus. Are you using version 11 firmware?
I heared, that some N86 user has problems with the focus by using the timer, but not in my case. The blurry photos are a result of slight movement. And if you look at the EXIF data on your photos then you will see that the 1/1000th of a second only is applicable to photos in full sunlight 😉 In bad light conditions they are only 1/50 and then you allmost need a tripod, belive me. 😊
Has anyone here updated to the new v20 FW through NSU? If you have can you please let me know how it went?
Unregistered wrote:Has anyone here updated to the new v20 FW through NSU? If you have can you please let me know how it went?
Today Nokia told me via SMS than new update is available through NSU. Hmm... next time I'll probably wait untill this message arrives, then I might get the "better" update 🙄 (not the beta i made via FOTA)
Today Nokia told me via SMS than new update is available through NSU.
Gr��e Dich djmuzi, was hast Du denn f�r einen prod.code auch den 0586595 ?
oh sorry english spoken board, for the others Hallo djmuzi do you have also the productcode 0586595 ?
Greetings from sunny bavaria
Mav
maverick2 wrote:Gr��e Dich djmuzi, was hast Du denn f�r einen prod.code auch den 0586595 ?oh sorry english spoken board, for the others Hallo djmuzi do you have also the productcode 0586595 ?
Greetings from sunny bavaria
Mav
Hello, my PC is 0580415 Made in China . 😊 Auf Deutsch h�tt ich dich auch verstanden 😎
Hmm that removing of the back cover istn't healthy for my phone to do it that often...
I found out how to disable the shutter sound. I'd have to download a 1kB patch and sign a certificate. I haven't tried it yet but will on my replacement when I send it back Thursday or Friday. Third times a charm, right? This phone should have a good retail value. I just don't like the N86's D-pad. Audio quality I don't like especially for an Nseries. My MP3 from four years ago sounds much better. The SE Satio caught my eye. I'm kind of hesitant of touchscreens. I'd have to play around with it first.
Here is nice list of product codes for the N86: http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n86/28179-n86-product-codes.html
Maverick, where's your N-86 made from? I guess the European market is also getting their phones made by the Chinese people.
@djmuzi,
that�s 0580415 the normal german Code, i have the german country variant code, but not branded or so ,have to wait a little bit longer. Wir kennen uns ja vom Telefon-Treff forum.
@ r-486
yes my n86 is made in china, i don�t have any bugs important for me, only the autorotation (without effects) is sometimes slow, sometimes the n86 get stuck, and pictures could be sharper.
so i�m waiting for the v20 firmware hoping that the camera does better then, and that the rest is not getting more bugs (FM Transmitter, autorotation)
I never had a problem with auto rotation. Are you using the sensors? An accelerometer I think it's called. I've turned off the sensors, because I didn't like it. It also uses more battery. I'd rather manually use the sliders.
Just realized the Satio doesn't allow a 3.5mm TRS connector. It probably has audio that stinks, too. In any case, it looks like I'll continue to use my trusty MP3 player. I heard it was hard to type with it (S60 v5) . I found it hard to type on a friend's iPhone. I think I'll stick with this phone until an Android or Maemo with a decent camera arrives. I think touchscreens are still premature in development. In the end, I would rather have a solidly built phone have a good camera with bad audio than mediocre camera with mediocre audio.
Need some advice.
When you update fw using NSU is it best to leave the memory card in the phone or take it out? Would the update affect or corrupt the memory card at all?
Unregistered wrote:Need some advice.When you update fw using NSU is it best to leave the memory card in the phone or take it out? Would the update affect or corrupt the memory card at all?
I reinstalled v11 the other day with the memory card in the phone. I had no problems. All data was intact.
today i took a stunning picture
djmuzi wrote:today i took a stunning picture
Some of those photo's are fantastic! Wow.
What FW are you on?
Very impressive.
r-486 wrote:I reinstalled v11 the other day with the memory card in the phone. I had no problems. All data was intact.
how did you reinstall v11??