Soon: Sony Ericsson P900!

"Who thought the P800 was just perfect? Read this. Just 9 hours ago I was saying the story was a rumour and now it seems the P810 has turned out to be true, according to reliable sources. It will be released more or less at the same time as the P200, in november. It is "the new P800", with a really cool aluminium T610-like case and keypad, much thinner, even a bit smaller, with 65k screen, and with a stunning 1.3 megapixel camera that means photos of up to 1280x1024 pixels . They have probably decided to launch this model in order to compete in sales with the future Nokia Communicator, although the true competitor for this "9310" should be the real P800 substitute (remember P810 is actually a P800 alternative) with UMTS, videophone or even WiFi"

id like to point out SUBSTITUTE, you all think its a replacement, its an alternative which means that itll probably be more expensive with the new camera and mem upgrade this way they can sell both and keep teh p800 priced just like it is, but man im want this P810 like nobodys business, imhumbleo i think its beautiful and will look nice next to my T610, if you dont like how it looks dont buy it 😃

SHADY :black:

Substitute generally means to make something else redundant

[quote="SHADY"]"Who thought the P800 was just perfect? Read this. Just 9 hours ago I was saying the story was a rumour and now it seems the P810 has turned out to be true, according to reliable sources. It will be released more or less at the same time as the P200, in november. It is "the new P800", with a really cool aluminium T610-like case and keypad, much thinner, even a bit smaller, with 65k screen, and with a stunning 1.3 megapixel camera that means photos of up to 1280x1024 pixels . They have probably decided to launch this model in order to compete in sales with the future Nokia Communicator, although the true competitor for this "9310" should be the real P800 substitute (remember P810 is actually a P800 alternative) with UMTS, videophone or even WiFi"

id like to point out SUBSTITUTE, you all think its a replacement, its an alternative which means that itll probably be more expensive with the new camera and mem upgrade this way they can sell both and keep teh p800 priced just like it is, but man im want this P810 like nobodys business, imhumbleo i think its beautiful and will look nice next to my T610, if you dont like how it looks dont buy it 😃

SHADY :black:[/quote]

hmmmm.......Information from a SHADY Guest? And information "according to reliable sources"? 😃 hahahahah 😃 That's just too good!

I'm not saying the information isn't true but I will say that it bears no weight in whether or not I believe what has been said about the rumored P810.

im a memeber now 😃 , i just had to join, seeing as how i wanted the P800, but couldnt afford it (broke college student) now i a have job, and im looking forward to the 'rumored' 1.3Mpixel camera on the P810.

I wish the new P810 comes as fast as possible. If the picture is right and tecknical data. This will be the new Best phone/pda on market. The design also looks a bit better. So far i'm happy with my P800, but i would like to have a more stable phone. But then again it's not P800 falut that there is so much 'bad written' software out there :agrue:

[quote="Tommen"]This will be the new Best phone/pda on market.[/quote]

If the phone were to come out today, I would agree with you. But the phone is not going to come out for months still. Who knows what Nokia or any of the other phone manufacturers will have by then. If SE did have a leak of information and the rumor is true then this also lets their competitors know what they have to do if they want to debunk SE.

It is the perfect opportunity for SE to be outmaneuvered by a competitor that can keep it's secrets. 😉

The P810, as it was coined shant be reffered to that anymore, or so it is claimed by a member of another forum who 'claims' to wok for SE. it shall be known as the P900. movin on up 😃

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=33179&forum=2&start=40

"glad so many have taken an interest. I'll try to clarify things a little. Bear in mind there are of course things I can't say, as I love my job and don't want to jeapordise it. It's basically stuff enthusiasts like you know anyway, so no major

As someone said, its called the P900 because it will sell alongside the P800, and calling it the P810 would make it seem an update rather than a new product.

The T610 clam Im talking about works like this. Remember the T39m and R520m? Same phone. Exactly the same phone. But Ericsson figured some people like flips, some don't, so make one of each.

Same philosophy. When I say its a T610 clam, it wont be the Z610 or anything (Z700 I believe), it means integrated camera, 65K screen etc.

As for T9 on the P900, I bloody well hope so. I am 99% confident it will...you can't take the flip off, so it makes sense. It's a flip that communicates thru the hinge rather than touching on the screen like the P800, so T9 would be easy.
I think T9 was left off the P800 to encourage people to use the stylus input. With the flip not being able to come off the P900, Im guessing T9 will be mandatory."

i dont know how true this post is, as i do not know the persons and cannot know for 100% certainty if they are tellin the truth, but it somewhat validates a few of the previous posts, although i am not sure why SE would usurp their flagship fone with another higher end CellDA* (*SHADYISM) without updating the current one and get all they could get out of it, i would of givin it a few more months. but with a lack of a US provider sponsoring the fone i can see why they feel as though they are behind and want to try again.

SHADY :black:

Sorry, but any "news" from Esato is even less reliable in my book than the "news" from Mobil.se. ALOT of BS in that forum.. :roll:

Hey, does anyone know if the rumors are true that Sony Ericsson is releasing a P810 model phone that improves on P800's features?

Just kidding. hehe 😉

These pics were posted on spymac recently

These pictures were posted here 1 month ago 😉

Well, I had been away for a week, on holiday, and honestly I had expected that when I returned (yesterday) I would read somewhere that the P810 was official now. But it's still not official :-? :cry:

I'm beginning to get my doubts now as well :robot:

There's some new pics out now.

Source: http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=33179&forum=2&start=100

Definate OS improvement, theres a background image to the apps menu and that must be a 65K screen. Doesnt look much thinner but the keypad sticks out a bit.

I've read the thread on esato and I really don't know how can they determine just from looking at these images that it runs UIQ 2.1?

I still think the p800 looks much better,and the rumour about the flip not being removable?!Really bad idea.

Maybe just cos it looks better? Got another point about the non removable thing, if you look at the last pic, the silver plastic between the hinges goes into the darker stuff, i cant see a nice way of having a flip off option there, can anyone else?

[quote="GrammatonCleric"]I've read the thread on esato and I really don't know how can they determine just from looking at these images that it runs UIQ 2.1?
[/quote]

GrammatonCleric,

The reason why everyone sees it as UIQ 2.1 is because the UIQ 2.1 Product Description shows the possibility of adding a background image to the Applications List, like you can see on this picture:

.

Which is NOT possible in the current UIQ 2.0 version used in the P800.

The Applications List in UIQ 2.0:

And the Applications List in UIQ 2.1 will look something like this:

Actually the background image will be part of a theme in UIQ 2.1:

[quote="UIQ 2.1 Product Description"]2.4.1 Themes

Themes consists of the following elements:

* Wallpaper, i.e. a background image in the application launcher

* Color schemes, which changes the colors of all UI elements as defined in the scheme

* Sounds in the mobile phone such as:
- ring tones
- message alerts
- screen clicks
- etc

Licensees can also define more elements to be part of a Theme if they wish to do so since the framework has been designed in a flexible way.

The end user can send and receive new Themes:

* It is easy to install new Themes and to edit (i.e. change all the attributes) them on the mobile phone

*Themes can be forwarded to others through beaming over infrared or Bluetooth as well as an attachment to an email.

New Themes can be created with the SDK (using XML)

* The Theme files are packed into a zip file

* Themes have a unique file extension

The Themes functionality can also be used for other purposes than personalization:

* Phone Manufacturers can brand the phones in a quick way

*Branding for Network Operators[/quote]

Just let you know that was your 666th post! Would 2,.1 be available for the P800 too, or would we be forced to by a new phone?

Thanks Raven!I must say that i read lots of documentation on UIQ and Symbian but i've missed/forgot that one.

sidneylopsides,UIQ 2.1 on the p800?Highly unlikely.

More pictures:

Source: http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=33843&forum=2

[quote="sidneylopsides"]Would 2,.1 be available for the P800 too, or would we be forced to by a new phone?[/quote]

Well, there's always hoping... -but I think GhostDog is right, it's highly unlikely since that would affect the "P810/P900/whatever" sales.

From the rumours it seems as though this P800 successor won't have a 1.3MP camera after all, but the very same cam the P800 uses. So that means the only changes will be a different casing, UIQ 2.1 and a 65K colour screen.

Personally, UIQ 2.1 alone will be a big enough reason for me to get one, but then again, I'm a freak.. :P

so the p810 does exist after all eh ? can ne1 gimme the full specifications after all. if this comes out i might as well wait and get the p800 then since it might go down price wise.

According to mobile-review.com it will support WiFi as well!!!
http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news1078

And it seems the P810 is dead, long live the P900 😃

[quote="Raven"]
From the rumours it seems as though this P800 successor won't have a 1.3MP camera after all, but the very same cam the P800 uses. So that means the only changes will be a different casing, UIQ 2.1 and a 65K colour screen. [/quote]

I don't know how reliable that source is, since he also claims the P900 will have only 10MB memory 😮 I think it's rather unlikely that it will have less memory than the P800

[quote="Jesal"]so the p810 does exist after all eh ? can ne1 gimme the full specifications after all. if this comes out i might as well wait and get the p800 then since it might go down price wise.[/quote]

As far as i'm concerned,its still a rumour,not as it was a week ago,but still a rumour.If it does come out,it will be after 6-12 months from now,at least,so you'd have to wait a while 😉

[quote="Delta737"]
I don't know how reliable that source is, since he also claims the P900 will have only 10MB memory 😮 I think it's rather unlikely that it will have less memory than the P800[/quote]

I don't think its unlikely.I think its smart marketing.

SE has to do more than call it p900 instead of p810,that my fool some people but not a lot.If they want to sell both devices side by side they have to make both devices have certain aspect that appeal the user.So,they'll add feature like UIQ to the p810/p900 but they leave out something like memory or RAM or some tiny features that really does mean a lot in the overall result.

That is what Nokia did with the 3650.They added the MMC expansion but they "missed" in certain areas,like RAM,weaker shell,no sensors and I don't know what else.The 7650 is a device with best display tests,the 3650 is 4-5 places down.The 7650 has a LOT better multitasking then the 3650,its almost impossible to run opera on the 3650.The 7650 has higher vide capture quality.On the other hand,the 3650 has better picture quality(with the built-in software,using third party like photographer doesn't make much difference),the 3650 has updated java enviroment(i think),the 3650 has MMC,which is a MAJOR advantage and opens up a lot more opportunities to the user then a 7650.

If SE are smart,they will do the same with the p810/p900.

[quote="GrammatonCleric"]The 7650 is a device with best display tests,the 3650 is 4-5 places down.[/quote]As far as I know, they use the same display module from the same suppliers.

[quote="GrammatonCleric"]The 7650 has a LOT better multitasking then the 3650[/quote]They use the exact same CPU, the same Symbian OS 6.1 release, but with a slightly newer Series 60 build for the 3650, which has no effect on multitasking as that is handled by the operating system.

[quote="GrammatonCleric"]The 7650 has higher vide capture quality.[/quote]They use the same camera module and same software (the video capture software from Nokia was actually written for the 3650, but just works fine on the 7650, too, because they're compatible).

[quote="GrammatonCleric"]the 3650 has updated java enviroment(i think)[/quote]They both have exactly the same Java environment (same MIDP 1.0 implementation).

I think ghostdog means the results on www.jbenchmark.com which is a java benchmark, so there must be some differences to have such a difference in results 😃

Also im not too hot on Wi-Fi, would it work with my wireless network?

[quote="N/A"][quote="GrammatonCleric"]The 7650 is a device with best display tests,the 3650 is 4-5 places down.[/quote]As far as I know, they use the same display module from the same suppliers.[/quote]

They might use the same display module but like sidneylopsides said,check jbenchmark,for some reason the 7650 performs better.

[quote="N/A"]
[quote="GrammatonCleric"]The 7650 has a LOT better multitasking then the 3650[/quote]They use the exact same CPU, the same Symbian OS 6.1 release, but with a slightly newer Series 60 build for the 3650, which has no effect on multitasking as that is handled by the operating system.
[/quote]

True,but the 7650 has more RAM,i've noticed most of the performance drawbacks with testing.

[quote="N/A"]
[quote="GrammatonCleric"]The 7650 has higher video capture quality.[/quote]They use the same camera module and same software (the video capture software from Nokia was actually written for the 3650, but just works fine on the 7650, too, because they're compatible). [/quote]

Once again true,bit if you compare videos taken with the 7650 and videos taken with a 3650 in same ligthing conditions you will notice that the 7650 ones are slightly sharper.

[quote="N/A"]
[quote="GrammatonCleric"]the 3650 has updated java enviroment(i think)[/quote]They both have exactly the same Java environment (same MIDP 1.0 implementation).[/quote]

I was not sure about this (I'm still not sure) but i think that the 3650 has camera java api's(maybe more),the 7650 does not.

There are other issues at stake.

Will this P900 have a touchscreen with stylus e.t.c The improoved screen may have better resolution but not be touch, In fat th quality of what seems a hard screen kinda scares me, this would explain the always on flip and we would have to navigate with the Jog dial.

It would also give extra reassons to keep both units on the market.

I would also love to see a photo comparisson between the P800 and P900 so we can better judge thickness, size and overall design improovements

[quote="Me"]There are other issues at stake.

Will this P900 have a touchscreen with stylus e.t.c [/quote]

Yes of course it will be touch sensitive as long as they keep using UIQ.

UIQ is only for touch screen devices with screen resolution: 208-240 x 320.