i gree too, i tried the 7 day option to try it out, charged the premium texts to my bill and it didnt work!
i now use route66 and its maps of spain are crap!
would rather use tomtom but as you will know from the 'make GPSMidlands famous' thread, its still not working for the N95
I don't know what all the fuss is about
lets face it tomtom runs like a piece of sh1t on the n95. its like playing a dvd on a 133mhz pc 😃
when tomtom fully support the n95 the navigation will be much smoother like it runs on previous phones, u never know it might even support the internal gps. if not then im sure there will be a patch out by then
i use nokia maps, 1 year subscription, ill be getting a decent upgrade in 12 months anyway so im over it to be honest.
N97 maybe?
6.0 megapixel camera
4 x optical zoom
free gprs
20g internal memory 😃😃
built in tomtom gps as standard with support of internal gps?
how exiting.. but dream on methinks
i think we should delete this thread because i see more we talk about them longer it will take before the patch is made public after all they are getting free exposure even though they say that they dont need it which is load of crap.
As mention before in the thread i bet they had more hit in the last two weeks then since they started that shitty looking website.
thats my thoughts.
gpsm you had long enough to prove you have this patch and you got your free exposure now its time you give something back or say it was all bull
Doesnt make any difference, its all been mentioned enough so that it wont make any difference. Besides that, its hardly getting 'favourable' attention to GPSM towards the end of the thread.
Its now been quite a while since they said it would be released soon.
Note to GPSmidlands, if you are reading (which you are), i just thought i would point out that you have an advert for "Free Speed Camera updates" which links to PocketGPS world. PocketGPSworld in not free (albeit very cheap) its a subscription service. Has been since i remember 😉
sveaney wrote:I don't know what all the fuss is aboutlets face it tomtom runs like a piece of sh1t on the n95. its like playing a dvd on a 133mhz pc 😃
when tomtom fully support the n95 the navigation will be much smoother like it runs on previous phones, u never know it might even support the internal gps. if not then im sure there will be a patch out by then
i use nokia maps, 1 year subscription, ill be getting a decent upgrade in 12 months anyway so im over it to be honest.
Odd, works great on mine. Not the best FPS, but more than adequate.
The fuss is that TomTom is about 100 times better than Nokia sh1t effort, that constantly calculates crazy long routes and does not support custom POI's like Speed Camera warnings (or simply just fails to load when you want to use it).
But the fundamental difference is, TomTom concentrate on making quality navigation software, thats their business model - make good software and people will buy it. Nokia's priority is generating revenue though providing 'points of interest' for companies that pay to be navigated to (McDonalds etc), and other things like that. You can't easily add you own POI's, they do it for you 😉 Thats why Nokia bought Smart2Go, that what Smart2go was all about. People will buy into it though and not even realise they are being taken for a sucker (like the people who happily pay good money for Rupert Murdoch to make them watch adverts, because they don't have the imagination to do anything else with their time). Why does Nokia just not invent a phone with a robotic arm that can just pick the money out of the naive consumers pocket?
You are free to make the choice you prefer, but if you can't see what all the fuss is about, then you must be blind.
autopilot wrote:Note to GPSmidlands, if you are reading (which you are), i just thought i would point out that you have an advert for "Free Speed Camera updates" which links to PocketGPS world. PocketGPSworld in not free (albeit very cheap) its a subscription service. Has been since i remember 😉
It did used to be free, years ago.
I can't quite believe the amount of bashing in this thread - it was only started 2 weeks ago! If they can release a patch then great (i'm getting an N95 on Tuesday, so that would be nice 😛) but it does take time to write and test software.
I think with all the bashing, Simon must have decided....screw it...
just my opinion 😊
monica _69 wrote:I think with all the bashing, Simon must have decided....screw it...just my opinion 😊
I think he was lying in the first place about it being "free", if it even exists.
I never trust people when they "announce" software, only when they deliver said software out of the blue without the "hype".
Going from shortly to
very shortly
What a joke!!!:icon13:
From now on I wait for TomTom to get compatible with n95. Perhaps that's what Simon does also😉
monica _69 wrote:I think with all the bashing, Simon must have decided....screw it...just my opinion 😊
I'd be tempted to in the same situation! I don't think some people on this forum would believe him even with the patch on their phone...
pennas wrote:I'd be tempted to in the same situation! I don't think some people on this forum would believe him even with the patch on their phone...
Whoa, wait a minute.
While a few have been unfair, others have defended them on here. Not to mention, others have been waiting patiently.
I and others were personally told it would be out the start of last week. Theres not even an estimate out now. Ok, fine so its late.
But theres no evidence of this patch ever having existed, even though it was apperently available in its first form for a while.
If they cant do it, fine, but let people know rather than stringing them along so as they can get on and make other arrangements. If I had still beleived them, I would still be waiting to have some sort of satnav solution.
Im wondering what Dez is going to do now its gone past his Monday deadline.
And what a silly comment to make, of course people would beleive it if it was working 🙄
How did Tomtom find out about the patch and test it to see that it changed the actual tomtom program so soon within it being released?
What did they actually change in tomtoms program to make it work?
What are the problems they are having thats causing the holdup?
Why not simply publish what they have done already to allow others to work on it, as its free?
How is it going to be limited to one device only?
We would ask people not to contact us by either email or phone and simply keep an eye on the website as we expect the link to go 'live' [SIZE="4"]very shortly. [/SIZE]The patch has been out in the field for 5 days so far.
Regards
Simon
GpsMidlands
PDA & GPS Repairers
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It's so ridicolous....:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
GpsMidlands go home !!!!
How is it going to be limited to one device only?
I would guess that it is an app that has to be signed before it can be installed on a phone (symbian-signed). This will probably be done on a per-IMEI basis (in fact, some capabilities require per-IMEI signing, unless it is sent away to be officially "symbian signed", which costs money).
And what a silly comment to make, of course people would beleive it if it was working
Sarcasm alert!! I just think that people are taking this a little seriously 😉 If a patch arrives then great, if not then TomTom will eventually release something which works on N95 (whether it be a patch or TT7).
Why not simply publish what they have done already to allow others to work on it, as its free?
As for how the "patch" works - well accessing the N95 GPS is done through the location API, so it would need to access this API, then construct a sequence of GPS-style messages (www . gpsinformation . org / dale / nmea . htm ), which it then feeds through a bluetooth socket that it has opened, which TomTom will connect to. I don't know exactly how to create this socket that TomTom will hook onto :con?
Thats my guess anyway 😊
I would guess that it is an app that has to be signed before it can be installed on a phone (symbian-signed). This will probably be done on a per-IMEI basis (in fact, some capabilities require per-IMEI signing, unless it is sent away to be officially "symbian signed", which costs money).
That was my guess, but I still cant see how that stops people from using cracked versions. Simple fact is, it doesnt. Also, it requires giving my IMEI out to GPSM, which frankly I wouldnt want to do yet. So I ask what the point is of limited it to only one device as that does not protect against piracy, and as its free? It will surely only create more work for GPSM, which will surely outweight any benefits they get by the publicity of people having to go to their site to get the patch.
Sarcasm alert!! I just think that people are taking this a little seriously
I know, but some people simply want to know whats going on. Having satnav can be quite important, and there is an amount of money involved here.
For myself, if this patch existed I could have spent £32 upgrading to my favourite satnav, or £70 + on another program entirely. And then of course the patch might come out, and you cannot return software in most cases.
People just want to know, instead of all this hanging on.
As for how the "patch" works...
However it works, if GPSM are having trouble, then why not simply give the code/whatever to us if its going to be free? After all, with all the knowlage in here Id be suprised if someone cant finish it off.
Seriously....if it WAS easy....it would have been done by now by A.N. Other symbian developer.
The fact that no solution has surfaced would be a good indicator that GPS are talking out of their bluetooth socket !!
pennas wrote:
As for how the "patch" works - well accessing the N95 GPS is done through the location API, so it would need to access this API, then construct a sequence of GPS-style messages (www . gpsinformation . org / dale / nmea . htm ), which it then feeds through a bluetooth socket that it has opened, which TomTom will connect to. I don't know exactly how to create this socket that TomTom will hook onto :con?
That is something I suggested quite a while back - to create a "wrapper" for the Location API that can be pumped back into the BT. This is also good as you can further evolve it into a GPS gateway app that can push out NMEA signals via the phone BT to go into a PC say.
The challenge here is the use of BT mechanism. I am not sure if you can trick the phone to loop back onto itself whilst filling up the buffers using converted info (Location API to NMEA). It will be quite interesting project I must say.
How much you guys think you'd pay for an Internal GPS Wrapper/Loopback app so that you can run TT6 or any other BT based GPS app off?
Nothing now I have bought other software.
How much you guys think you'd pay for an Internal GPS Wrapper/Loopback app so that you can run TT6 or any other BT based GPS app off?
If I have to pay for it.....I'll wait for TomTom to do it.
:tongue:
kevree wrote:Seriously....if it WAS easy....it would have been done by now by A.N. Other symbian developer.Getting the white light to switch on/off seems a relatively simple hack, and yet months later and still no workaround.... or patch for existing Nokia Torch software.The fact that no solution has surfaced would be a good indicator that GPS are talking out of their bluetooth socket !!
kevree wrote:If I have to pay for it.....I'll wait for TomTom to do it.
:tongue:
heheh.. Tight Ass..
No motivation here I can see.. 😊
Lets all sit back and wait for TT to release it then!!
If you can do it.....then just go ahead and do it.
If you charged a fiver for download I'd pay it........and so would THOUSANDS of others.
But......I bet it isn't as easy as you think 😉
bchliu wrote:
How much you guys think you'd pay for an Internal GPS Wrapper/Loopback app so that you can run TT6 or any other BT based GPS app off?
How about my undying gratitude...?
If i had the DEV tools for Symbian and some pointers I would help out with the project. I did mainframe programming for 15 years with a small amount of assembly-code. More a VB man now though.
Just interesting to hear some people would pay for a small fee whilst others wont pay a cent.. 😊
I have a few ideas on what can/cant be done - and can do technical research to see if there is any feasibility in it. However, I havent really got the C+ dev skills that is required for the SDK. Like you Dez, I am more of a VB man myself.. AKA lazy programmer.. 😊
Anyone interested in pairing up to do this (that has experience with S60S3 SDK?)
** Technical bit **
http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/GPS_API_in_S60_3rd_Edition
http://gagravarr.livejournal.com/126871.html
Just from initial research shows that the API is pretty simple to manipulate. You just have to load the API libraries, call the class and then return the Lat/Long of current position. (someone has also already done it in Python already from the second URL)
so the program will go something like this (running in the background as a low level service)
launch Location API
Pass query to API
returns values
convert values to NMEA based code
Send off to Bluetooth Stack
repeat until end
TomTom or any other GPS App will be running in the foreground and will be "tricked" into talking to the BT stack (I believe the app only queries the NMEA codes in the stack buffer since there is no direct intervention to the GPS dongle itself). Since NMEA is only running as 4800/9600 baud, the app shouldnt require too much resources to get it to an acceptable speed.
Of course, the other alternative is to (illegally) hack the TT6 code to stop using the BT stack buffer and run the API instead. This involves recompilation of the code to do this and reregistering the file in the S60 OS as well to be able to "execute".
Very high level views here - but I think it really can be done... They have GPSGate for the Pocket PC which works very well (for my old HP6965/6515) so I cant see why you cant do the same on S60 platforms..
bchliu wrote:Just interesting to hear some people would pay for a small fee whilst others wont pay a cent.. 😊I have a few ideas on what can/cant be done - and can do technical research to see if there is any feasibility in it. However, I havent really got the C+ dev skills that is required for the SDK. Like you Dez, I am more of a VB man myself.. AKA lazy programmer.. 😊
Anyone interested in pairing up to do this (that has experience with S60S3 SDK?)
** Technical bit **
http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/GPS_API_in_S60_3rd_Edition
http://gagravarr.livejournal.com/126871.html
Just from initial research shows that the API is pretty simple to manipulate. You just have to load the API libraries, call the class and then return the Lat/Long of current position. (someone has also already done it in Python already from the second URL)
so the program will go something like this (running in the background as a low level service)
launch Location API
Pass query to API
returns values
convert values to NMEA based code
Send off to Bluetooth Stack
repeat until endTomTom or any other GPS App will be running in the foreground and will be "tricked" into talking to the BT stack (I believe the app only queries the NMEA codes in the stack buffer since there is no direct intervention to the GPS dongle itself). Since NMEA is only running as 4800/9600 baud, the app shouldnt require too much resources to get it to an acceptable speed.
Of course, the other alternative is to (illegally) hack the TT6 code to stop using the BT stack buffer and run the API instead. This involves recompilation of the code to do this and reregistering the file in the S60 OS as well to be able to "execute".
Very high level views here - but I think it really can be done... They have GPSGate for the Pocket PC which works very well (for my old HP6965/6515) so I cant see why you cant do the same on S60 platforms..
dunno if it any help to you but a older version of route66 v7.3.486 automatically found the internal GPS that version was not intended for n95 but worked well.
Ronaldo-9 wrote:dunno if it any help to you but a older version of route66 v7.3.486 automatically found the internal GPS that version was not intended for n95 but worked well.
I highly doubt that it was "not" intended for the N95. I believe it had been leaked out by someone or another beta testing it (ALA the newer "official" version that is now available).
From what I have read, R66 was done in a modular way that only required a certain Library to be changed. Someone had tried to UNSIS and decompile it to look for Location API calls and basically merged this library with existing cracked SIS (and this hence spread like wildfire).
ok, before the lastest update they removed the internal GPS feature then added it to the lastest
bchliu wrote:I highly doubt that it was "not" intended for the N95. I believe it had been leaked out by someone or another beta testing it (ALA the newer "official" version that is now available).From what I have read, R66 was done in a modular way that only required a certain Library to be changed. Someone had tried to UNSIS and decompile it to look for Location API calls and basically merged this library with existing cracked SIS (and this hence spread like wildfire).
And the same can't be done with TT6?
iball wrote:And the same can't be done with TT6?
No.. theres no leaked libraries so cant do that (unless GPSMidlands has that)..
bchliu wrote:
From what I have read, R66 was done in a modular way that only required a certain Library to be changed. Someone had tried to UNSIS and decompile it to look for Location API calls and basically merged this library with existing cracked SIS (and this hence spread like wildfire).
Look to sis contents yourself. There is no any libraries, the only one for play ogg files. All other code is inside single mobile7.exe.
Spoke to GPS Midlands this morning, they told me the patch has been approved & that they hope to release it today.