lovesign wrote:And that's a deal breaker for me.
Me too if we are hearing correct b/c thing's happen tp phones and you are given replacments under warranty or we buy next model ,and if i have to buy this again b/c a change then it's too much hassel.
It's already complicted having to contact support and stuff to move the app and data to phones with inbuilt memory
which is a pitty b/c i like the sound of it and it looks great too.
Came across a large error today, and Im pretty sure its not a map error.
Before, on the way to work, it told me to do a U turn, and I thought it didnt have GPS signal properly.
But this time it did, and still asked me to do a U turn, despite not actually having to do one on the map.
It was in actual fact a right turn, at a mini roundabout. Though Im used to satnavs telling me just to turn, as I havent had one yet which recognises tiny roundabouts.
Attached is a screenshot. Im hoping its a recent map error, but Im sure my tomtom didnt have it before, and they use teleatlas.
Heres the co-ords from google maps - Bridge St @51.696010, -2.218140
If its a one off (map error), thats fine. But I thought Id mention it in case its not, which would mean having to alter the program in case it happens elsewhere.
I really like sygic. The instructions are generally good, its got a lane assistant, which I have been missing for symbian badly.
Im pretty sure no other satnav on Symbian has.
Make a slight u-turn? 😊
sbc wrote:Make a slight u-turn? 😊
Maybe they write Us in some weird way that makes them look like Ls :tongue:
Cmon now, lets keep this thread towards improving sygic/Mcguider.
I want to see new updates and continued interaction between sygic (sonym) and customers and potential customers.
I value sonym commenting here and hope it will continue.
So ease up you lot 😉
Ive been waiting for a lane assistant on Symbian for yonks.
And if the updates are going as said, then we have an oppertunity to help fine tune sygic to a very good working program.
And in time, perhaps get them to add more features.
Personally, sygic isnt replacing Garmin yet for me (especially while I have the postcode bug), but its now my main hope for being the best with continued development.
Mainly, because sonym seems to actually be implementing some of the things we ask.
bartmanekul wrote:Cmon now, lets keep this thread towards improving sygic/Mcguider.I want to see new updates and continued interaction between sygic (sonym) and customers and potential customers.
I value sonym commenting here and hope it will continue.
So ease up you lot 😉
Ive been waiting for a lane assistant on Symbian for yonks.
And if the updates are going as said, then we have an oppertunity to help fine tune sygic to a very good working program.
And in time, perhaps get them to add more features.
Personally, sygic isnt replacing Garmin yet for me (especially while I have the postcode bug), but its now my main hope for being the best with continued development.
Mainly, because sonym seems to actually be implementing some of the things we ask.
Good job, i will look at this junction tomorrow at work. This is the right approach how to help me. Problem, gps coords, screenshot 😊.
And dont worry, zipcodes will be ok in next update.
bartmanekul wrote:Came across a large error today, and Im pretty sure its not a map error.Before, on the way to work, it told me to do a U turn, and I thought it didnt have GPS signal properly.
But this time it did, and still asked me to do a U turn, despite not actually having to do one on the map.
It was in actual fact a right turn, at a mini roundabout. Though Im used to satnavs telling me just to turn, as I havent had one yet which recognises tiny roundabouts.
Attached is a screenshot. Im hoping its a recent map error, but Im sure my tomtom didnt have it before, and they use teleatlas.
Heres the co-ords from google maps - Bridge St @51.696010, -2.218140
If its a one off (map error), thats fine. But I thought Id mention it in case its not, which would mean having to alter the program in case it happens elsewhere.
I really like sygic. The instructions are generally good, its got a lane assistant, which I have been missing for symbian badly.
Im pretty sure no other satnav on Symbian has.
ok, I have checked it, and in map data, it is not roudabout. In new version I have it tells you Turn right then turn left. On Roundabout enter, you cant go to the right, so this junction is skipped, on first exit you will go right ( this is the first turn right ), and on second roundabout exit, you should go left ( then turn left ). It behaves like on other general junctions.
Sounds good, but Im not quite understanding what you mean. If it doesnt see it as a roundabout, then surely its a normal junction where I just turn right?
Anyway, if the update fixes it, that would be great.
Can you say where the update will appear? I have looked at the sygic and mcguider site, and both dont give any indication to where it would be.
And if you could give us a rough date when the update will be available, many people would be very grateful 😊
As it turns out, the update (514) appeared yesterday! But only for those using pirated software. If you have paid for it, you are stuck on the old version.
I have been all over sygic.com, teleatlas.com (logged in) and mcguider.com, but no update available anywhere. Only on pirate sites.
This is exactly what Sygic DOESN'T need, pirates getting huge advantages over the paying costumers 😞
One can only hope that the new update they actually have is a virus that corrupts their phone memory.
Or eats away their face, either one is fine by me. Sygic is not exactly expensive, and its on par with some of the best out there.
Even better than that, we are seeing it get updates we want.
Im hoping sonym will let us know when (and where) the update comes out.
I challenge anyone to find anything near as good as sygic for less then �40 with Europe maps.
Well, we don't know that they are getting benefits (but it sure looks like it) unless we install the software and find it to be better.
But I for one am not interested in installing what could possibly be a flaky beta-version.
I'll wait for the official release, which hopefully is not too far off.
But it seems Sygic's got a pirate among their beta-testers - maybe they should look into that?
I agree with Bartmanekul - the price is a steal!
1. We know for a fact that it is beta. But is it more flaky than the one we bought? I believe Sygic decided to release this program now for several reasons. No doubt they felt is was about ready for release, but you can bet they also took the time of year into considerations. We are all planning the vacations now, and GPS is a natural part of that planning. Personally I'd rather have McGuider with a bug or two than having to use Route 66 or whatever, so I am very happy with this decision, bugs or not.
2. Pirates are everywhere, of course also in the beta testing program. Don't worry about it. The more ppl testing, the more bugs are found, meaning a better product to you and me.
3. Don't know if the price is a steal, but it was good enough for me 😊
sbc, I think he meant the update being a flakey beta, not the actual program.
Yes, I know. I tried to make a point that the release maybe could be considered a polished beta too and as such also be flaky, but obviously I failed 😊
BUG:
If you create a new POI categori, you get to select an icon for it. But if you format your device and copy back the .upi file into the map folder, the icon is gone.
sbc wrote:BUG:
If you create a new POI categori, you get to select an icon for it. But if you format your device and copy back the .upi file into the map folder, the icon is gone.
Well, this is not a bug. Icons for user upi files are stored in Icons folder. So you have to make backup, and copy it there.
If you have lost your icon, just create new category with same icon as before. then manually delete this new upi file. Icon will stay in Icons dir.
To be fair, if you format the phone, you have to expect to lose data ;P
Sonym, please could you give us a rough idea of when the update will be released?
Also, where to get it from, as the various websites dont seem to have any download/support sections.
Thanks.
1. Weird way of doing it, but I guess it works. Wouldn't it be smarter to just link to the chosen icon inside the .upi file, by using its internal id?
2. No one expects an installation to last forever, so of course you can do backups. Expect registration data to be hidden, but not your personalization. That would be silly. On TomTom you copy the ov2 + cfg files, on Garmin the wpt.nvm file and on McGuider, the upi. If you wanna keep your settings too, you just expand that list to include the relevant files. No reason to accept any kind of data loss.
sbc wrote:1. Weird way of doing it, but I guess it works. Wouldn't it be smarter to just link to the chosen icon inside the .upi file, by using its internal id?2. No one expects an installation to last forever, so of course you can do backups. Expect registration data to be hidden, but not your personalization. That would be silly. On TomTom you copy the ov2 + cfg files, on Garmin the wpt.nvm file and on McGuider, the upi. If you wanna keep your settings too, you just expand that list to include the relevant files. No reason to accept any kind of data loss.
Yes, ok, but with this approach, you can add your own upi files with your own icons. In tom tom you have to use predefined icons. Am I right? ( I assume this from your comment )
lovesign wrote:This is a potential deal maker/breaker for me also.If I buy it, then transfer to my 8GB SD card, i need to contact Sygic, correct ?
If so, that's fine. But what if I then get a 16GB card (when they come out) ? Can I do another transfer to the 16GB card in, say, 8 months time ? Or do I get just one chance and that's it ?
Sonym, can you confirm the rules regarding this ?
The question has been asked before in this thread but I don't believe it has been answered. Can anyone describe how easy it is to transfer the program from the supplied 2GB memory card to the 8GB internal memory on the N95 8GB and get it up and running?
I'd go ahead and order if it is a fast and hassle free process but if it is loads of 'copy this hear, place that file there' then I think I'll just give it a miss...
sonym wrote:Yes, ok, but with this approach, you can add your own upi files with your own icons. In tom tom you have to use predefined icons. Am I right? ( I assume this from your comment )
Right then, I have finally got around to seeing a copy of Sygic in use, and I have to say it looks really good .... much better layout than Garmin.
Just want to check on the Auto Zoom feature. When this is switched on, it does not automatically seem to zoom close enough, to be able to see the icons for speed cameras. If I turn off the auto zoom function, the next time the software is loaded, it is zoomed to far out, and have to press the zoom key a number of times, to get it where I want ..... but again, this is not saved.
Is there anything that can be done with this to keep it at the specified zoom level?
Yes, very good point. I don't like the autozoom feature, but like you I don't understand why we are punished with an absolutely useless view on every start if we turn it off?
1. Autozoom isnt close enough at slower speeds
2. Often doesnt take roads turning off just before the road your actually supposed to turn off.
3. Disclaimer should display only once, not each startup.
Dont take this as negatives sonym, just more suggestions to further imporve sygic.
Just purchased this software and here's my initial impressions:
Im finding some absolutly rediculous routing from sygic 7.52, It seems that unless your on a A / B road the app assumes your travelling at 5mph, in its relentless quest to get you to the 'faster' A / B roads at any cost it will often take a route thats 1 mile longer just to get you directly to an A/B road rather than travelling along a perfectly direct smaller road. Twice this has happened to me now and I find it infuriating that the app cant realise that just because a road has an A or B on it doesnt mean its faster.
2 examples: first, on my way home from southwell to forest town, the app instead of taking me right at a set of traffic lights on a major road (not A/B listed but still a good fast 40mph limit road) this road leads direct to my house in a straight direction. Instead the app tells me to carry on straight on the A road im travelling nearly into the center of mansfield then tells me to turn right onto a b road that takes me to my house about an extra 1/2 mile journey and the road is a 30mph limit most of the way whereas the other road is a 40mph and 1/2mile shorter, its rediculous routing like this that really winds me up.
Sygic knows the speed limits for every road I've been on and its usually spot on so why the hell the app cant use this information to help it calculate routes is baffling to me.
2nd example: Again 1 straight road leads directly from southwell to rainworth (on way to mansfield) however the app doesnt like this striaght / direct national speed limit road, so it tells me to divert up a tiny single track country lane taking me quite some distance out of the way, just to marry up with the nearest major A road (which is a 50mph limit by the way, not 60mph like the other road), then precedes to direct me along the major A road all the way, overall journey took 3mins longer and 1 mile extra thanks a lot sygic!
I hope this can be looked into how hard can it be for the app to read the speed limit information stored in the maps and use it to help calculate the routes, I personally would prefer a more shorter biased route calculation method than the one that is currently implimented.
If this cant be done then the app needs a system similar to route 66 v 8, where you can set your own travelling speeds on types of roads.
Another point that needs fixing, the custom POI's i've imported the whole Pocketgpsworld camera database which works perfectly, however the app gives you the poi warnings for all cameras even ones not on your route, so in a city environment its going off all the time for cameras that dont even affect you! The app needs an option to only alert you to poi's on your route.
And another point... (sorry to go on), the way you setup the custom poi's is so long winded and drawn out, it took me about 15mins just to set up the pocketgpsworld camera database (the database has a poi catagory for each type of camera and its speed limit) everytime you set up a poi the app jumps back to the main menu, very annoying.
Well thats my Sygic rant over, the main very very annoying problem is the routing.
Good, constructive feedback djinn-uk. Hopefully Sygic (Sonym) will take this onboard 😊
djinn-uk wrote:Just purchased this software and here's my initial impressions:Im finding some absolutly rediculous routing from sygic 7.52, It seems that unless your on a A / B road the app assumes your travelling at 5mph, in its relentless quest to get you to the 'faster' A / B roads at any cost it will often take a route thats 1 mile longer just to get you directly to an A/B road rather than travelling along a perfectly direct smaller road. Twice this has happened to me now and I find it infuriating that the app cant realise that just because a road has an A or B on it doesnt mean its faster.
2 examples: first, on my way home from southwell to forest town, the app instead of taking me right at a set of traffic lights on a major road (not A/B listed but still a good fast 40mph limit road) this road leads direct to my house in a straight direction. Instead the app tells me to carry on straight on the A road im travelling nearly into the center of mansfield then tells me to turn right onto a b road that takes me to my house about an extra 1/2 mile journey and the road is a 30mph limit most of the way whereas the other road is a 40mph and 1/2mile shorter, its rediculous routing like this that really winds me up.
Sygic knows the speed limits for every road I've been on and its usually spot on so why the hell the app cant use this information to help it calculate routes is baffling to me.
2nd example: Again 1 straight road leads directly from southwell to rainworth (on way to mansfield) however the app doesnt like this striaght / direct national speed limit road, so it tells me to divert up a tiny single track country lane taking me quite some distance out of the way, just to marry up with the nearest major A road (which is a 50mph limit by the way, not 60mph like the other road), then precedes to direct me along the major A road all the way, overall journey took 3mins longer and 1 mile extra thanks a lot sygic!
I hope this can be looked into how hard can it be for the app to read the speed limit information stored in the maps and use it to help calculate the routes, I personally would prefer a more shorter biased route calculation method than the one that is currently implimented.
If this cant be done then the app needs a system similar to route 66 v 8, where you can set your own travelling speeds on types of roads.
Another point that needs fixing, the custom POI's i've imported the whole Pocketgpsworld camera database which works perfectly, however the app gives you the poi warnings for all cameras even ones not on your route, so in a city environment its going off all the time for cameras that dont even affect you! The app needs an option to only alert you to poi's on your route.
And another point... (sorry to go on), the way you setup the custom poi's is so long winded and drawn out, it took me about 15mins just to set up the pocketgpsworld camera database (the database has a poi catagory for each type of camera and its speed limit) everytime you set up a poi the app jumps back to the main menu, very annoying.
Well thats my Sygic rant over, the main very very annoying problem is the routing.
Dear djinn-uk,
Could you please give us coordinates of your start point and end point? and give us a picture from google maps with correct computed route. We will look at it then.
Sonym, once again thanks for listening to our comments and suggestions on this forum.
I have a possible bug to mention, however (and i'll probably get complaints for this) it's for the McGuider running on an HTC s710 (windows mobile for smartphones):
I have to use a bluetooth gps module, and Mcguider will only recognize the device the first time after I pair it with my s710. If I want to use Mcguider a second time, I will have to first delete the module and then re-pair it again before McGuider recognizes it. This process will occur everytime! It appears that McGuider does remember the GPS port settings and baud rate, however it cannot seem to use the outgoing port.
I realize this is a symbian forum, but I desperatly want this little piece of software to succeed because just like the symbian users, we WM smartphone users are limited in our choices of decent satnavs and this one looks like a winner!
Anyway, keep up the good work! (and sorry for barging into this thread)
Hi Sonym, thanks for your reply.
Heres google maps shots of the directions sygic suggested and the one's that are quickest.
Journey 1, is the first part of the journey i suggested yesterday.
Journey 2, is the last part
Journey 3, is a new one I've thrown in today whereby the turning off the A611 that Sygic suggested I go down is a dirt bike track! and certainly not useable by a normal vehicle. The correct route is in blue.
Journey 1 start co-ordinates:
Lat (WGS84) N53:04:47 ( 53.079716 )
Long (WGS84) W0:57:38 ( -0.960440 )
Journey 2 end co-ordinates:
Lat (WGS84) N53:09:27 ( 53.157548 )
Long (WGS84) W1:09:46 ( -1.162672 )
Journey 3 co-ordinates of incorrect routing along unusable road:
Lat (WGS84) N53:03:50 ( 53.063777 )
Long (WGS84) W1:14:08 ( -1.235524 )
Hope this helps you make some routing corrections, I've been using the app all day and I forgot about another crazy route it threw me up, ill include this one too as journey 4:
Lat (WGS84) N53:07:54 ( 53.131550 )
Long (WGS84) W1:09:26 ( -1.157304 )
The app once again takes me a long way round just to keep you on an A Road instead up just cutting straight through the smaller roads. (which are 40mph!)
The roads marked with Red are the sygic routes and in blue is the correct much faster route.
I hope you can have a look at the routing on the app.
Also when I try to navigate to Chequers Lane, Derby by street name the app does an infinate routing search and wont actually calculate a route, it seems to be stuck trying to calculate the last 8 yards of the journey.
Good things I've noticed... I love the lane assist when it appears.
More bad things... The Frame rate seems very slow, I remember trying a very early beta of this program and the frame rate was very slick, now however its very slow ( 2 -3 fps max), maybe its something to do with all the speed camera POI's i've imported, but I had those on the early beta and that ran like a dream compared to this version.
Im really glad someone from sygic is here and is taking notice of us, however I feel we've got a long way to go to perfect this app...
